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Vettel is a jammy, jammy fucker. Everything fell his way today.
Can't believe they were allowed to change tyres for the restart. Ruined what could have been a great ending with cars on cold, worn tyres.
Hamilton needs a message sending out to him as well from the stewards. Great racer but when things aren't going his way he turns into a real whiny idiot. Sticking it into the side of other cars from miles back and then complaining on the radio that they didn't get out of his way. Prat.
Can't believe they were allowed to change tyres for the restart. Ruined what could have been a great ending with cars on cold, worn tyres.
Hamilton needs a message sending out to him as well from the stewards. Great racer but when things aren't going his way he turns into a real whiny idiot. Sticking it into the side of other cars from miles back and then complaining on the radio that they didn't get out of his way. Prat.
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Thought that was a good race. Shame we were some what robbed of a fantastic end.
Wouldn't quite say Vettel was lucky. He had an awful pit stop but in the end he seemed to have a strategy that took advantage of the track. He did exactly what he had to do to keep Alonso behind him knowing it's a difficult track to overtake. The late safety car could be argued as making your own luck. He did a fantastic job on old tyres and a stint that lasted almost 50 laps and then got a break. Granted if it was any other track he would have long been over taken but that's why I feel they had a good strategy that took advantage of the circuit.
I think we also saw the best and worst of Hamilton today. A great overtake going into Saint Devote on Schumi but then his poor pit stop seemed to be the start of him becoming gradually annoyed and too eager. Far too many stupid moves and seemingly ended up hitting anyone in front of him. As for his interview on the forum :facepalm:
Amazing that Sutil seemed to cause the chaos towards the end and yet stayed in the race for the restart and finished 7th. Good race for him though and probably deserved to stay in. Good recovery from Webber too after his disastrous pit stop.
Wouldn't quite say Vettel was lucky. He had an awful pit stop but in the end he seemed to have a strategy that took advantage of the track. He did exactly what he had to do to keep Alonso behind him knowing it's a difficult track to overtake. The late safety car could be argued as making your own luck. He did a fantastic job on old tyres and a stint that lasted almost 50 laps and then got a break. Granted if it was any other track he would have long been over taken but that's why I feel they had a good strategy that took advantage of the circuit.
I think we also saw the best and worst of Hamilton today. A great overtake going into Saint Devote on Schumi but then his poor pit stop seemed to be the start of him becoming gradually annoyed and too eager. Far too many stupid moves and seemingly ended up hitting anyone in front of him. As for his interview on the forum :facepalm:
Amazing that Sutil seemed to cause the chaos towards the end and yet stayed in the race for the restart and finished 7th. Good race for him though and probably deserved to stay in. Good recovery from Webber too after his disastrous pit stop.
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In what way did he make his own luck today? Without Massa coming off and bringing out the SC he would have still been 14 seconds behind Button, who was very unlucky to pit just before the SC came out and lost track position because of it.
Then coming into the final 10 laps Vettel's tyres were about to give up completely after doing 56 laps on the same set, and another SC gives us a red flag which means Vettel can change his tyres and finish the race still in the lead.
Yes Vettel managed to keep Alonso behind him but he still had some life left in the tyres, and it's not hard at Monaco. His tyres wouldn't have lasted until the end of the race and he would have been easy pickings for Alonso and Button.
Basically Red Bull gambled on the one-stop and it paid off with two safety cars, and Button pitting just before the first one. They would have been third if that hadn't have happened.
Then coming into the final 10 laps Vettel's tyres were about to give up completely after doing 56 laps on the same set, and another SC gives us a red flag which means Vettel can change his tyres and finish the race still in the lead.
Yes Vettel managed to keep Alonso behind him but he still had some life left in the tyres, and it's not hard at Monaco. His tyres wouldn't have lasted until the end of the race and he would have been easy pickings for Alonso and Button.
Basically Red Bull gambled on the one-stop and it paid off with two safety cars, and Button pitting just before the first one. They would have been third if that hadn't have happened.
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Not to mention the fact that on Vettel's pitstop they actually put the wrong tyres on his car! They should have been another set of options but got primes put on by mistake as they were expecting Webber in first. That meant he didn't have to stop again.
Hamilton's interview!! Playing the Paul Ince race card suggesting the colour of his skin was the reason he was up in front of the stewards so much. Half joking I think but very stupid nonetheless.
Hamilton's interview!! Playing the Paul Ince race card suggesting the colour of his skin was the reason he was up in front of the stewards so much. Half joking I think but very stupid nonetheless.
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Well until Brundle had mentioned it on the forum I had missed the mistake with Vettels tyres being mentioned so I guess the strategy and Vettel stumbled into that luck. Still as far as Buttons pit stop goes, at the time the theory was that they were responding to the Virgin retiring and expecting a safety care which didn't happen until a lap later due to the Massa. It could be argued that McLaren gambled just as much as Red Bull did with their one stop and unfortunately (speaking as a McLaren fan) it worked in favour of RBR.
Still I'm not going to write off the job Vettel did for such a long time on those tyres. I think he did a fantastic job to make them last almost if not more than 50 laps when most were saying 45 was the maximum you could get away with. I said before the race weekend that I hoped someone other than Vettel would win and at one point was very happy that it was seemingly going to be Button. Didn't work out that way but credit to Vettel he made it work and since learning of the tyre mistake, maybe he did get a little lucky and could have finished 3rd if they didn't balls up. But then Ifs and buts are apart of every sport and change nothing.
Still I'm not going to write off the job Vettel did for such a long time on those tyres. I think he did a fantastic job to make them last almost if not more than 50 laps when most were saying 45 was the maximum you could get away with. I said before the race weekend that I hoped someone other than Vettel would win and at one point was very happy that it was seemingly going to be Button. Didn't work out that way but credit to Vettel he made it work and since learning of the tyre mistake, maybe he did get a little lucky and could have finished 3rd if they didn't balls up. But then Ifs and buts are apart of every sport and change nothing.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588664.stm
Hamiltons interview for those that missed it. Seriously needs to think before he speaks.
Hamiltons interview for those that missed it. Seriously needs to think before he speaks.
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I heard it - obviously he was taking the piss a bit with the Ali G reference, but I think he was making a serious point (in his head) behind it. Bloody stupid. At times I think Hamilton is a bear of little brain...
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Rain forecast for qualifying apparently, could be interesting. All the practice sessions have been full of crashes and red flags, seems the supersoft tyres are very difficult to drive on round Montréal.
Speaking of crashes, Allan McNish in Le Mans earlier:
Amazingly, it seems that no-one was hurt.
Speaking of crashes, Allan McNish in Le Mans earlier:
Amazingly, it seems that no-one was hurt.
They seem to need a good 3-4 laps to get into sync, unless your name is Seb and you blitz everybody on your second lap....
McNish was definitely at fault, why there's no protection for the stewards/cameramen I don't know.
McNish was definitely at fault, why there's no protection for the stewards/cameramen I don't know.
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It's not an area where you normally go off apparently, hence the lack of protection.
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Good grief - they are all incredibly lucky. That could have been a horror show
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Chucking it down by the look of it. Couldbe exciting racing.
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Can't believe it's a SC start. It's not been raining now for a good 20 minutes. Let them race, FFS.
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Fucking shite. Are the McLarens on inters?
