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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

I think it’s quite clear the deal is agreed, but We aren’t doing it into until Neves is sold. The issue isn’t neccessairily that we actually think someone else will hijack it, it’s that we for some reason can’t even spend €20m without first having guaranteed money in our pockets.

How is that the case? We’re making profit every year, minimal net transfer spend for a good while (even including the Semedo/Fabio/Hoever debacle) and by virtue of only having about 13 players should have a very favourable wages to turnover ratio.
 
It's disappointing enough to be running at minimal at best net spends. If we are then taking that one step further and cannot buy until we actually have the money from sales in the bank then I don't know what to say :ROFLMAO:
 
Deano said:
It's disappointing enough to be running at minimal at best net spends. If we are then taking that one step further and cannot buy until we actually have the money from sales in the bank then I don't know what to say :ROFLMAO:
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You wait until we sell Ruben for £5m up front too. The club is run by absolute clowns.
 
PuntsWolf said:
I think it’s quite clear the deal is agreed, but We aren’t doing it into until Neves is sold. The issue isn’t neccessairily that we actually think someone else will hijack it, it’s that we for some reason can’t even spend €20m without first having guaranteed money in our pockets.

How is that the case? We’re making profit every year, minimal net transfer spend for a good while (even including the Semedo/Fabio/Hoever debacle) and by virtue of only having about 13 players should have a very favourable wages to turnover ratio.
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Im not sure that is the case. Palhinha is alright and the value is there at €20m but I wouldn’t want him and neves in the same midfield. My assumption is they only want Palhinha if neves goes and if he doesn’t we’d be looking for a different kind of midfielder, ideally someone who’s a bit more of a ball carrier.
 
YoungWolf said:
I think that’s the sad thing. If we really don’t have any kind of budget without player sales the money for neves, Traore and possible Gibbs-white is what allows us to sign a centre back, midfielder and attacker
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I just don't understand how this has happened. And why?

70mill on Fabio and Semedo not so long ago, now we are scraping around the back of the sofa for spare change and selling the TV just to keep the heating on.
 
WsWolf said:
Im not sure that is the case. Palhinha is alright and the value is there at €20m but I wouldn’t want him and neves in the same midfield. My assumption is they only want Palhinha if neves goes and if he doesn’t we’d be looking for a different kind of midfielder, ideally someone who’s a bit more of a ball carrier.
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Neves has got to go because it's very unlikely he is going to sign a new deal after saying in his interview at the end of the season how its a short career etc and then we will get half the money for him next year. Also we will then have hardly any money to invest in the squad this Summer, we can't afford to keep letting players enter the last year of their contracts under this model. It's why reports of us holding out for £70m for him the other week are nonsense, we are in no position to be demanding that kind of fee for him.

We can't wait to see what happens with him either. Someone pointed out before that Neves seems to be a fall back option for a number of clubs based on other deals - waiting for that to play out is not going to leave Wolves in the best position to get a good deal on their targets.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
I just don't understand how this has happened. And why?

70mill on Fabio and Semedo not so long ago, now we are scraping around the back of the sofa for spare change and selling the TV just to keep the heating on.
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We sold Jota, Cav and Costa though which raised about that much to buy those two plus Hoever?
 
Deano said:
Neves has got to go because it's very unlikely he is going to sign a new deal after saying in his interview at the end of the season how its a short career etc and then we will get half the money for him next year. Also we will then have hardly any money to invest in the squad this Summer, we can't afford to keep letting players enter the last year of their contracts under this model. It's why reports of us holding out for £70m for him the other week are nonsense, we are in no position to be demanding that kind of fee for him.

We can't wait to see what happens with him either. Someone pointed out before that Neves seems to be a fall back option for a number of clubs based on other deals - waiting for that to play out is not going to leave Wolves in the best position to get a good deal on their targets.
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That’s the risk of waiting. I just don’t see who’s going to stump up the money for him. United would if they had any sense, anyone else either can’t afford him or doesn’t need him.

As much as I’ve loved watching him, I think it’s time he moved on, we need a refresh and he’s the only one who is going to fund it. However, if someone doesn’t meet the valuation I’d rather we hold firm and try and negotiate a new deal with a release clause than fold and accept a below the market fee out of desperation.
 
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Elephant Pyjamas said:
I just don't understand how this has happened. And why?
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Its Jeff's vision isn't it.

His aim is to make us a solid Prem Team (so far so good, could probably do with another Cup run or European adventure though), increase the brand (regardless of what people think about that, he is doing it) and not have to ask his bosses for any money (even though they have said they would happily put more in) so the end result is outside investors will be attracted to us, not just as a football club and they either make huge investments or we float on the stock market.

Problem for me is we have reached a point where you can't just keep doing the same thing and at this moment in time the team needs investment or else you risk the 1st aim and most important one. That fails, the work on the brand takes a huge hit, you are asking Fosun for money and investors are out of town before signing the cheques (and probably losing his job)

My take on Jeff from a footballing side, he had next to no understanding of the game and is wowed by anyone who can talk a good game. Look at his football decisions so far - Walter was his choice, Fabs was his signing and he has promoted Sellars numerous times.

If the aim for Jeff is in 18-24 months to float us on the stock market to increase our budgets he is on proper gamble leading up to that. Of course we might be surprised by what happens in this window, but history is showing us we won't be.
 
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PuntsWolf said:
I think it’s quite clear the deal is agreed, but We aren’t doing it into until Neves is sold. The issue isn’t neccessairily that we actually think someone else will hijack it, it’s that we for some reason can’t even spend €20m without first having guaranteed money in our pockets.

How is that the case? We’re making profit every year, minimal net transfer spend for a good while (even including the Semedo/Fabio/Hoever debacle) and by virtue of only having about 13 players should have a very favourable wages to turnover ratio.
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Is it more that they don't want to spend the money on a player they don't actually want until Neves is gone? If they don't think they can play together and they're not certain Neves is definitely going then why burden yourself with the player who might be largely redundant?
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Is it more that they don't want to spend the money on a player they don't actually want until Neves is gone? If they don't think they can play together and they're not certain Neves is definitely going then why burden yourself with the player who might be largely redundant?
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That is all well and good if the replacement is willing to wait. If a late deal for Neves materialises then you run the risk of not having a replacement ready to come in.
 
And in this case, Palhinha is a different type of player to Ruben even if similar positions. He'd play a different role and even suit playing next to him. God forbid we have more than 3 centre midfielders though
 
YoungWolf said:
And in this case, Palhinha is a different type of player to Ruben even if similar positions. He'd play a different role and even suit playing next to him. God forbid we have more than 3 centre midfielders though
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I disagree they’d work together in the same midfield two. I think that pairing is a downgrade on Moutinho and Neves from an attacking sense, hardly an area we can afford to go backwards in.
 
WsWolf said:
I disagree they’d work together in the same midfield two. I think that pairing is a downgrade on Moutinho and Neves from an attacking sense, hardly an area we can afford to go backwards in.
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I think it depends on what system you're using. I think Palhinha next to Neves would potentially allow us to play a back four. An all out ball winner and another who is very good defensively as well as being one of the best progressive passers in the league. You'd then need a creative attacking midfielder in front of him (we have one who we will probably sell...).

in a 3-4-3, possibly, although I think Neves would assume more creative duties and having a player like Palhinha would allow the wing backs to play with a bit more freedom

(These are scenarios were we have competent staff that are able to implement these things from a recruitment and coaching perspective, mind)
 
YoungWolf said:
I think it depends on what system you're using. I think Palhinha next to Neves would potentially allow us to play a back four. An all out ball winner and another who is very good defensively as well as being one of the best progressive passers in the league. You'd then need a creative attacking midfielder in front of him (we have one who we will probably sell...).

in a 3-4-3, possibly, although I think Neves would assume more creative duties and having a player like Palhinha would allow the wing backs to play with a bit more freedom

(These are scenarios were we have competent staff that are able to implement these things from a recruitment and coaching perspective, mind)
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It would need to be a 3 in midfield rather than a 4231 with a #10 style player but that could work. There would be a hell of a lot of pressure on that 3rd man to be the creative force. I’d much rather see someone in the ilk of Nunes next to Neves myself than Palhina as its more balanced.

Our wingbacks never receive the ball in dangerous areas as we don’t get the ball to them running in behind, that’s a shape/midfield personnel issue and Palhinha doesn’t solve those in a 343.
 
If I am Palhinha, I don't come to Wolves if we keep Neves and Moutinho. He is in no rush to sign for anyone, its only June. Worst case scenario for him is he stays where he is playing regular first team football and there are other transfer windows or Fulham. We have been linked with him for so long I think it is pretty obvious he has been viewed as a potential replacement for Neves rather than playing alongside him otherwise he would already be here if a/we really wanted him and b/he wanted to come to us.
 
WsWolf said:
It would need to be a 3 in midfield rather than a 4231 with a #10 style player but that could work. There would be a hell of a lot of pressure on that 3rd man to be the creative force. I’d much rather see someone in the ilk of Nunes next to Neves myself than Palhina as its more balanced.

Our wingbacks never receive the ball in dangerous areas as we don’t get the ball to them running in behind, that’s a shape/midfield personnel issue and Palhinha doesn’t solve those in a 343.
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I think the biggest contributor to that wingback issue is tempo. The ball is rarely moved anything like quickly enough to get them in behind, central midfield plays a big part in that along with the generally conservative nature of the squad.
 
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