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Stats and Analysis Thread

Mel Evo said:
If only he’d had more time.
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I'm actually surprised we've averaged over 1PPG. Skewed by winning 5 out of 6 from the start of the year to mid-February. Properly robbed a couple of those wins.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I'm actually surprised we've averaged over 1PPG. Skewed by winning 5 out of 6 from the start of the year to mid-February. Properly robbed a couple of those wins.
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Don’t really do resolutions but I really should resolve to let the Lage anger go for my own sanity. Gives me 7 hours or so to beef about how he and his employers have needlessly wrecked my year.
 
It's all a bit of a fever dream for me.

Yes, we really did employ someone with so few credentials for no reason, and yes he was that much of a wanker.
 
This is an interesting stat, works on the eye test too.

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"A direct attack is defined as a possession that starts in a team’s defensive half and results in either a shot or touch inside the opposition penalty area within 15 seconds"
 
Would love to see where we were before the Brighton game. Feels like they probably doubled our season tally
 
Tbf I think once 'they' find a way to *properly* qualify, quantify, attribute and analyse the 'Expected Threat' metric, then traditional scouting and the eye test are gone the way of the dinosaur
 
Elements of traditional scouting will always have a place IMO but yeah, xT isn’t actually too bad. Just annoys me seeing Jonny there!! With semedo, makes sense really as he offers so little as an attacking threat.
 
YoungWolf said:
Elements of traditional scouting will always have a place IMO but yeah, xT isn’t actually too bad. Just annoys me seeing Jonny there!! With semedo, makes sense really as he offers so little as an attacking threat.
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And apparently isn't nearly good enough defensively to make up for it as he's #7 on the Worst list that combines 'xT For' and 'xT Against'.

Not great is it.
 
Jonny’s only just in there tbf. Could he a host of players around the 0.3 mark.

Semedo has played the vast majority of our minutes so the sample size for “games without” must be tiny and therefore easy to skew the data. Particularly when the games he missed or played little of were at the start of the season when we were terrible and nil “threat”.

Not sure why I’m defending him though!
 
YoungWolf said:
Elements of traditional scouting will always have a place IMO but yeah, xT isn’t actually too bad. Just annoys me seeing Jonny there!! With semedo, makes sense really as he offers so little as an attacking threat.
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On video scouting databases do they get like a wide angle/full pitch view these days? I do accept the old 'you don't see everything on TV' side, but wonder if video angles can now give a fuller perspective of the pitch (and indeed a better or at least more consistent view).

I thin it was Mark that mentioned the other day about mental assessments being the next 'big' scouting differentiator, and I do think there's a lot of value in that space. Not just in terms of generally measurable decision making speed etc, but also in how players view the game. Like you can you stats to show how much/often Jota sprints etc, but it can't be log until AI puts a number on the in game intelligence of that pressing, accounting for scanning, looseness of touch, awareness of what lanes are closed off etc. And the same for passing, progression and even movement when in possession. We're at the point where every physical and most technical attribute can be studied and scored, the match intelligence aspect in addition will be a massive boost
 
PuntsWolf said:
Jonny’s only just in there tbf. Could he a host of players around the 0.3 mark.

Semedo has played the vast majority of our minutes so the sample size for “games without” must be tiny and therefore easy to skew the data. Particularly when the games he missed or played little of were at the start of the season when we were terrible and nil “threat”.

Not sure why I’m defending him though!
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They've controlled for time a little bit, but yeah, I was surprised to see Jonny had qualified given that. Probably need to look at a higher cutoff than just 540 minutes.
 
Del Woppio said:
Tbf I think once 'they' find a way to *properly* qualify, quantify, attribute and analyse the 'Expected Threat' metric, then traditional scouting and the eye test are gone the way of the dinosaur
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Nah, the eye test looks at technique, decision making, positional sense, leadership, ability to take instruction and adaptability amongst others.

Some soft, some hard skills.

Stats are broad brush and ok for comparison and underlying metrics.

Both will always be used and rightly so.

As an individual stat WAR (wins over replacement) fascinates me as that's a true comparison stat.
 
Del Woppio said:
On video scouting databases do they get like a wide angle/full pitch view these days? I do accept the old 'you don't see everything on TV' side, but wonder if video angles can now give a fuller perspective of the pitch (and indeed a better or at least more consistent view).

I thin it was Mark that mentioned the other day about mental assessments being the next 'big' scouting differentiator, and I do think there's a lot of value in that space. Not just in terms of generally measurable decision making speed etc, but also in how players view the game. Like you can you stats to show how much/often Jota sprints etc, but it can't be log until AI puts a number on the in game intelligence of that pressing, accounting for scanning, looseness of touch, awareness of what lanes are closed off etc. And the same for passing, progression and even movement when in possession. We're at the point where every physical and most technical attribute can be studied and scored, the match intelligence aspect in addition will be a massive boost
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Most clubs have the wider angle now yeah. In the top 2 divisions I’d imagine it’s pretty much universal now.

Agree it will be interesting to see where it goes next. In terms of recruitment it seems to be who can take most of certain markets first before it then moves on (or. South/North America - Brighton seemed to have done very well out of, and so you see us following suit with a few of our targets).
 
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