Spoilt Princesses moaning about Media Coverage of Wolves

[Kenny]

Fuck you all, I use the correct thread.

You just look like a dribbling old fool now...

 

[Pablowolf]

A dribbling old fool that uses the correct thread, which is good enough for me.

 

[Kenny]

A dribbling old fool that uses the correct thread, which is good enough for me.

So has everyone else...

 

[Derby Wolf]

Maybe she's going to launch the Max Kilman Appreciation Society and live off the money that brings in. No?

 

[Tony Towner]

She was ok pre season, writing was ok, better than Joey's...then the football started.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Writing to a reasonable standard (which by the normal E&S standards is actually good) is all very well and good but you have to know the subject matter. You can hire me right now to write about I dunno, horticulture or something. It'll be full of nice words. Nicely structured, good flow. Won't really make any sense though unless you heavily brief me, as I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about.

I can't believe she seemingly did no research on the team or the club before joining and then that side of things never even came close to improving. And really, that is the key. You're supposed to bring insight above and beyond what anyone could say. Let alone not even knowing where our bloody wingbacks play and have played for nearly three years.

Really though, the E&S don't care. Sub a bit of stuff out to Johnny Phillips or whoever now and then, otherwise have Joey spamming out the 120 word pieces cobbled together from Wolves' official releases, that's about the limit of their ambition now I think. They've not bothered to sign up a serious staff writer since Instone left and that's the best part of 20 years ago.

 

[Deano]

Even though not as good as Instone at least Nash and Spiers had some experience and seemingly some contacts within the club, I don't get why they've taken decisions that they have since.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Can't remember OG Tim's background but Spiers was effectively promoted from free blogger all the way up. Half-arsed recruitment redolent of a company who don't know what they want any more.

They still have massive reach, somehow. Loads of people still go straight to the E&S for stuff, on and offline. They waste that market though.

 

[Kenny]

I can't believe she seemingly did no research on the team or the club before joining and then that side of things never even came close to improving. And really, that is the key. You're supposed to bring insight above and beyond what anyone could say. Let alone not even knowing where our bloody wingbacks play and have played for nearly three years.

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Presume her research was "ask Joey". He is a Wolves fan who spent 7 months not understanding Jonny's role.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Really not hard to learn about top flight teams now (you'd think as a journalist you'd be paying attention anyway). All the information is out there, you just have to put the time in.

Sure I posted it in here but she did a player review after Liverpool away and repeated herself almost word for word three times in 11 tiny reviews (and not for the sense of comedy, either). Ridiculous. What kind of writing is that? Besides which, it was claiming that the likes of Benno/Vinagre/Neto "deserved to keep the shirt" despite the players who were already in the first choice team playing well at the time, so it was never made clear exactly what she was suggesting, other than rocking up to Watford with 14 men on the pitch.

Out of her depth in every respect, never learned to interact with fans properly either which is pretty important now. You can't just hide behind your desk.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

The fact that Joe Edwards is making a career in a local newspaper, as a reporter, tells you all you need to know about standards in local journalism.

His pieces read with as much flow as a badly written shopping list

 

[BGreenWolf]

Spiers' development since joining The Athletic has been pretty remarkable. It's pretty clear that the constraints on the writers at the E&S is having a negative effect on their output.

Not saying that Rosie showed any sign of being much good, but no good journalism can come out of that setup.

 

[AndyWolves]

Spiers' development since joining The Athletic has been pretty remarkable. It's pretty clear that the constraints on the writers at the E&S is having a negative effect on their output.

Not saying that Rosie showed any sign of being much good, but no good journalism can come out of that setup.

As an aside didn't Jeremy Clarkson and Boris Johnson both work for E&S at some point?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Spiers' development since joining The Athletic has been pretty remarkable.

Yes and no on this. It is surprising that he's able to write with some flair, although he misses the mark a fair bit still. Mind you, we're starting from a low point here. It never seemed apparent that he had any particular ability at the E&S. Evidently The Athletic only want long form pieces, it's never really bland match reports or newsfeed stuff (both of which have probably had their day now, you may as well not bother) so there's a lot more scope for creativity. They want volume as well so you've got far more opportunities to impress - you can afford the odd miss.

I think with their resources he does get spoonfed a lot of stuff (particularly around access) and then just has to write around that which is a pretty privileged position to be in. I'd give him a 6/10 on his work there as opposed to 3/10 beforehand. I think they could do a lot better, but that's up to them.

It's pretty clear that the constraints on the writers at the E&S is having a negative effect on their output.

Without a doubt - little to no chance to express yourself properly, an emphasis on clickbait and they will forever be negative if they can. Their editorial policy has been shocking for ages.

Not saying that Rosie showed any sign of being much good, but no good journalism can come out of that setup.

I think you probably can shine but you'd have to work and fight bloody hard to do so, and why would you bother when they don't pony up for proper writers? She put in bugger all effort and simply didn't have the depth of knowledge required, the player ratings as a whole tended to be absolutely bizarre and woefully inadequate in terms of length, her standard of writing isn't really anything special so you're never going to fill in the gaps.

I genuinely don't know what they want, but looking seriously for the best writers out there is not at the top of their agenda, whichever way you cut it. I never read her stuff when she was based in the North West, I wonder what they saw in her beyond being relatively cheap because I don't expect it was a whole lot better, just delivered to a much smaller audience.

 

[Tredman]

Spiers was a news reporter at the E&S first wasn’t he? Not that that means much for them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No idea. He definitely blogged on Wolves for a while. Post-Nathan Lloyd who was memorably referred to as a "fickle penis" by our very own Del Woppio after doing a U-turn on Mick. Del later gave up on Wolves for years and came back when we were good, which just goes to show that you should always be careful with what you say

They're very complacent as circulation is still relatively high somehow and they obviously get a lot of web traffic. But if you don't supply decent content then your audience will eventually disappear. You cannot have Joe Edwards as your main Wolves journalist, sorry but no.

 

[Tredman]

A bunch of Spoilt Princesses moaning about the E&S Thread

DP

 

[Tredman]

TBF to Tim I think he did actually study journalism and got the wolves blog in addition to normal job when they realised Lloyd was a weirdo. I got blocked by Lloyd a few weeks ago on twitter when I had the temerity to suggest our players didn't play on when traore was down injured to 'punish' traore.

The free E&S goes straight in the bin in our house, haven't clicked on their ad-ridden craphole of a site since Joe took over either.

Edit - my bad, it was another wolves blogger wanging on about traore. Who knew there were so many of them

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I need to see this :icon_lol:

I have no idea what a journalism degree entails tbf. You can either write or you can't. An English degree would be of more use.

 

[Kenny]

I presume Tim missed the day when they talked about avoiding an emotional attachment to players/managers