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I disagree with every single word of that. Flipping a coin is not in any way fair. At least with using their past record it's decided by results on the pitch for that specific tournament.
 
The Bear said:
I disagree with every single word of that. Flipping a coin is not in any way fair. At least with using their past record it's decided by results on the pitch for that specific tournament.
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Of course it's fair, they've both got perfectly equal chances of getting the outcome in their favour, using results from the last 12 months is nonsense, you could have completely different teams with different managers, playing a different style who've fucked up but get through on the back of someone else's work that they had no hand in, how exactly is that fair?!
 
Well if it's down to this rubbish of tossing a coin, I'd make it best out of a decent number, like 9 or 11 tosses.

Better still, have a 15 minute game, lose 6 players and fight it out with a 5 a side game.
 
Langers said:
There has to be some sort of way of using factors that happened in the game to split them? Shots on target? Fewest number of cards/fouls?
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Wasn't that how it was done last time?
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Of course it's fair, they've both got perfectly equal chances of getting the outcome in their favour, using results from the last 12 months is nonsense, you could have completely different teams with different managers, playing a different style who've fucked up but get through on the back of someone else's work that they had no hand in, how exactly is that fair?!
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You could use the same spurious logic to say that a certain team didn't have one or more of their star players available for the first group game due to injury or suspension, so the results of the group are unfair.

I repeat. Results on pitch should always decide this sort of stuff.
 
For once, I'm with Mark, qualifying results shouldn't be taken into account. Number of cards seems the best way to me.
 
The Bear said:
You could use the same spurious logic to say that a certain team didn't have one or more of their star players available for the first group game due to injury or suspension, so the results of the group are unfair.

I repeat. Results on pitch should always decide this sort of stuff.
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What if someone's star player missed the qualification games through injury and gave them a weaker record, then that's unfair.

The qualification stage isn't part of the tournament, they start with a clean slate at the start of the group games and what happens from there on in decides who goes through, if they're all tied on your usual deciders, as is the case, then you've got to find something else. If that means resorting to cards, fouls, offsides or whatever then so be it, at least they're events from the tournament.
 
Your whole argument is that unless every single team plays the same eleven players in every single game then it's inherently unfair.

That's sport.
 
The Bear said:
Your whole argument is that unless every single team plays the same eleven players in every single game then it's inherently unfair.

That's sport.
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No it's not, qualifying campaigns are not part of the tournament, the differing players/managers and everything else is just another factor on top of that.

Imagine if you had the same deadlock at the end of a league campaign to decide who was going up or down, unlikely i know but would you use their previous season's finishing places to decide who came out on top? Of course you wouldn't, it's completely irrelevant and such the whole idea is fucking obscene.

In your scenario a team with an easy qualifying group would have so much bias because they'd have been able to stroll to favourable results in that stage, whereas as some small nation in a difficult group would've already done well just to scrape qualification but then you punish them and knock them out in a deadlock situation because they didn't do as well as a different team, against different opponents, 12 months or more ago. It's a farce of an idea.
 
Get him back ASAP, on the bench Saturday? :D
 
Unlucky Bakary. Did yourself proud.
 
He'll be out for the rest of the season with a knee injury.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
He's only ever been considered for the Reading game as an absolute best case, he won't be involved this weekend.
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I know, I know. It would be silly to bring him back following three quickfire games in an international tournament anyway. We need him at his absolute best!
 
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