Just repeating the same old, tired rhetoric over and over doesn't make your point correct, or relevant to my post that you quoted. I said that workers rights currently aren't perfect (you see, I've agreed with you there) however, how is the possibility of removing things like minimum wage, working time directives, health & safety at work going to improve things? Just repeating that 4 million Brits work below the poverty line and then some shit about wasted euros and sports direct sweat shops doesn't really address my point.
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Just repeating the same old, tired rhetoric over and over doesn't make your point correct, or relevant to my post that you quoted. I said that workers rights currently aren't perfect (you see, I've agreed with you there) however, how is the possibility of removing things like minimum wage, working time directives, health & safety at work going to improve things? Just repeating that 4 million Brits work below the poverty line and then some shit about wasted euros and sports direct sweat shops doesn't really address my point.
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I have never seen you address the point, of how the EU has protected workers rights in the UK. You keep saying how bad things could be, but I am pointing out that at the moment they are very bad and never see you or any other pro EU voter, confront the facts about the lack of working class rights in the EU.
We will have to wait and see what happens in the future, but hopefully the Tory party will lose power and we can get a party in power that looks after the interests of the poor and disenfranchised.
48 hour maximum working week
Days off legal requirement
Guaranteed paid annual leave
Equal Pay between sexes
Guaranteed maternity rights
Anti-discrimination laws
Protection for agency workers rights (treated equally as permanent employees)
Health & Safety regulations - such as reducing work place risk, working with noise, regulations on chemicals used
Yep, what have the EU done for our workers!
Which of these things do you think will remain in place while Theresa has her blank canvas to do as she wishes?
Just because a few tossers like you say I'm racist, does not make it true. It's one of the reasons I came on this thread. Reading so much shit from the same old posters who seem to live in their own little collective bubble. I have had my say which is all I was interested in and my opinions are just as valid as anyone else's on here.
I will have a few days away from this thread like I usually do and I will come back when I am ready. I won't be changing my opinions just because a few idiots resort to playground name calling and then get all upset when I have a go back at them. Perhaps we can have a more grown up debate at a later date.
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48 hours maximum working week? I know lots of people who work more than that. They have to, to be able to eat and pay their rent.
Can you please tell me if we have 4 million workers living below the poverty line, how have EU workers rights benefited them? I know I keep asking the same question, but I never get an answer.
Before we were in the EU, workers got double time on a Sunday.
Time and a half Saturdays,
Time and a half after 40 hours,
Time and a third after 18.00pm
Double time and a day off on a bank holiday.
Men and women retired earlier.
Many of these things have disappeared since we have been in the EU.
Protection for agency workers? Aren't zero hour contracts through agencies?
...and what are you going to do, biased Mod ? Tot up all the abuse from all sides and ban me because you don't agree with my point of view ?
Fill your boots and do whatever makes you feel happy, love.
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Please don't go you tick the 'white racist' diversity box for the forum.
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Can we not just create a separate thread for these arguments to happen on? They're quite fun to read.
People can sign an Opt-Out to the 48 hour week. It means companies can no longer force employees to work more than 48 hours. People have the choice to work more if they choose.
I have already admitted that the EU system isn't perfect. Why is that you only pin the blame on the EU though? Nothing for our government to take responsibility for? Probably just easier to say it's the EU's fault.
I'm not sure on the reason for these things disappearing. Not sure if this came from the EU, our government, or there was just no legislation so companies collectively started stopping it. I know that in my company, anyone with contracts before March 2008 get double time on all public holidays, people with contracts after that don't. Can you show me how the EU put a stop to this (genuinely, I don't know if they did or didn't)
You can look to our government for that.
How many of these things you've mentioned are directly from EU directive? Genuine question, I don't know. You have pinned them all on the EU so can you back this up?
Not just agency workers have been getting zero hours contracts. Permanent employees too. Protection for agency workers means they get the same rights as permanent employees (holiday, 48 hour weeks, guaranteed days off etc)
So, from all the things I listed you ignored everything except the 48 hour week (which I've now explained to you how it works) and extra pay on Bank holidays etc (which I've asked you to show me that the EU stopped this, as I'm not sure if they did or didn't)
So I'm guessing you are happy with the other things I listed that the EU put in place, which are now no longer guaranteed?
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Depends if you hate the coloureds or not - apart from the ones that came over in the 60s and are now your friends. Those ones are ok. It's the Polish and Bulgarian tan coloured ones that are an issue.
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A bit of red mist?
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Yeah but if I like them I have to live by them too right? So I'll have to sack off my planned move to a homogenous vote leave stronghold and pick somewhere else.
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Yep, pretty much. If you accept and recognise that immigration has a net benefit to our economy then you HAVE to live in Sparkbrook or Heathtown etc.
Obvious, really.
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Why is it only racists who have the nice coloured friends? I'm hardly racist at all and I don't think I have a single black or Asian friend, unless you count the guys at the Ho Ho Chinese takeaway.
Maybe you're a secret racist who doesnt realise?
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It's because of where you live.
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You're clearly not a person who needs external validation that they are not racist!
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A bit of red mist?
