REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[jd1981]

The Union will fall apart at this rate. And it won’t destroy Johnson. Fucking bizarre times.

It’s a bit like a marriage that’s gone beyond repairing.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Decent analogy. And then you try and step apart on as good terms as you can to avoid hating each other I guess.

 

[Tony Towner]

Scotland isn't leaving the Union for the following reasons:
1) Jonhson won't give them a referendum
2) They are a net beneficiary financially for being in
3) They need therefore to be in the EU and there is no desire in any opinion poll in Scotland to have the Euro over the Pound which would absolutely be a condition of joining.

Every reason to be totally fucked off with the English, but unlike us they aren't stupid enough to vote against their self interest

 

[jd1981]

Decent analogy. And then you try and step apart on as good terms as you can to avoid

Scotland isn't leaving the Union for the following reasons:
1) Jonhson won't give them a referendum
2) They are a net beneficiary financially for being in
3) They need therefore to be in the EU and there is no desire in any opinion poll in Scotland to have the Euro over the pound which would absolutely be a condition of joining.

Every reason to be totally fucked off with the English, but unlike us they aren't stupid enough to vote against their self interest

Your first point will become impossible for Johnson to refuse especially when the SNP and Greens (pro Indy) unite to form a majority.

“Every reason to fucked off with the English” really English people just have a different political view point and currently presented with close to hobsons Choice when it comes to voting. Despising someone for having a different political opinion is archaic.
45% voted yes in 2014 estimated currently at 47% now. Some hard campaigning could easily swing that, everyone in 2016 was convinced we’d stay in the EU and look how that turned out.

 

[Tony Towner]

That's wrong, pretty much from first word to last

 

[jd1981]

That's wrong, pretty much from first word to last

If you want to really split hairs 44.7% voted in favour of yes.
Secondly my second point is an opinion so can’t be wrong just disagreed with. So your statement is actually wrong from start to finish.

 

[Johnny75]

Scotland isn't leaving the Union for the following reasons:
1) Jonhson won't give them a referendum
2) They are a net beneficiary financially for being in
3) They need therefore to be in the EU and there is no desire in any opinion poll in Scotland to have the Euro over the Pound which would absolutely be a condition of joining.

Every reason to be totally fucked off with the English, but unlike us they aren't stupid enough to vote against their self interest

Funnily enough my Scottish relatives think you’re talking out of your arse.

At least half a dozen of them are Celtic season ticket holders so this may colour their opinion somewhat.

 

[Tony Towner]

Funnily enough my Scottish relatives think you’re talking out of your arse.

At least half a dozen of them are Celtic season ticket holders so this may colour their opinion somewhat.

Well point 1 is so highly probably it's bordering on a certainty, making everything else irrelevant, but 2 is indisputable fact and 3 is also pretty much a given. So the only debtatable point is if they were given the choice and being in the EU with the Euro was part of that would the Scots vote for it

 

[Johnny75]

I’m not sure you understand.

They hate Johnson and the Tories so much they’re willing to take the pain, no matter how much I point out it’s daft. Just like the Brexiteers.

 

[leedswolf]

Freeports: Government 'made catastrophic blunder' in trade deals

Manufacturers based in the new economic zones could miss out on key markets, Labour says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Templeton Peck]

Scotland will go sooner or later. England's descent into fascism and the fact Scots constantly get govts they don't vote for will see to that.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Freeports: Government 'made catastrophic blunder' in trade deals

Manufacturers based in the new economic zones could miss out on key markets, Labour says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Freeports. Another stellar idea.

 

[leedswolf]

I’m no expert on derivatives trading but this sounds a lot of money to have lost in just March.

“The City of London lost 2.3 trillion pounds ($3.3 trillion) of its lucrative derivatives trading business in March alone, with Wall Street trading platforms gaining the most from Brexit.”

 

[leedswolf]

UK ‘could run out of construction materials’ as Brexit invalidates certificates

Minister is warned Britain does not have enough testing capacity for the scale of the problem

www.bdonline.co.uk

 

[Tony Towner]

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[leedswolf]

The dairy industry has been among the biggest losers of Brexit so far, with milk and cream exports to the EU down 96.4% year on year in February. Just £900,000 of the stuff made it out to our former partners, compared with over £24m in February 2020.

 

[leedswolf]

Brexit’s impact on trade is laid bare in new Central Statistics Office (CSO) data, which shows a surge in imports to Ireland of goods from Europe and a sharp fall in goods bought from Britain. The change comes as Irish companies open up new supply chains to avoid tariffs and delivery delays on goods from the UK. CSO monthly goods trade data for March shows a 46 per cent spike to more than €3.1 billion in goods imported from the EU, compared to March 2020 when trade still took place under the old regime. New “third-country” trade arrangements for the UK kicked in when the Brexit transition period ended at the beginning of this year. The data show a corresponding slump in British imports to the Republic, which fell by almost a third to less than €1 billion.

 

[leedswolf]

A view from Australia, taken from Twitter

"Written in sorrow rather than anger:"

Here in Australia we're going to benefit very nicely from the forthcoming FTA with the UK, given that Boris has obligingly added a short deadline to a weak hand. From the shambolic performance of the UK negotiators with the EU our experienced negotiators, who've gone toe to toe with really tough customers like the USA and China, will make mincemeat of the UK side. Forget about a fifteen year phase-in - the UK government is in a hurry and to get a deal will have to, er, look at the ceiling and think of England as its former colony has its wicked way.

Forget any idea of some preferential deal for farmers in the Mother Country for old times' sake - Australia is an independent nation oriented to the Pacific Rim. We have very different interests. Not to mention that back in 1972 the UK sh@t on our farmers (and those of NZ) when it joined the EU. Some here see this as an opportunity to get our own back - "NO MERCY!" was one quote I've seen. With the desperation to get a deal of any kind UK farming will be thrown under a bus - the fact is that Northern Europe is a difficult and expensive place to grow food and in a free trade environment can't compete with the economies of scale we get, hence the CAP, which helped many UK farmers while in the EU. But of course farmers voted for Brexit, like turkeys voting to Christmas. Like UK fishermen, they're going to get what they voted for, and getting it good and hard. I feel zero sympathy.

And an Australian FTA will be just the start. Apparently the UK government has some delusional idea that having left the EU it can join the CPTPP, the Pacific Rim FTA, and the Australian FTA is somehow to show that they're serious. Proving free trade credentials with Pacific nations to get this grand vision overrides any considerations of concern for UK producers. Although this makes about as much sense as Australia wanting to join the EU, and IMHO has about as much chance of success. Note of course that following what happened with the TCA you can forget about niceties like Parliamentary scrutiny.

The destination is "Britannia Unchained", a Singapore-on-Thames undercutting EU standards, and several of the authors of that book are members of the current UK government. The EU is well aware of this, and so there will be further barriers to the UK from its nearest market. The claim that the UK will instead become hitched to a booming Pacific (a) ignores that the UK is half a world away (b) misunderstands what's happening over here. Basically apart from China the fast growing economies are still relatively small markets. The large developed markets are hitting the same demographic problems as the Western nations, while growth is slowing down - look at the flatlining of the Japanese economy over the last thirty years.

As for China, its population is going to drop and good luck Britain getting a good hearing from the government who remember the Opium Wars and Britain's key role in the "Hundred Years of Humiliation". By the way, I've heard negotiating with the Chinese compared to negotiating with a winch! And what's Britain going to export that can survive these FTAs? Financial services? Forget it - the Pacific Rim already has massive financial operations in Shanghai, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore, with smaller but still significant ones in Sydney and Auckland, all in compatible time zones. IMHO Brexit is the worst decision a democratic developed nation has made since Argentina, then with a standard of living similar to Australia, elected Peron in the late '40s and blew its brains out, ending up back in the third world

 

[Jolemai]

Wetherspoons boss calls for more EU migration as bars and restaurants tackle staff shortage

Tim Martin says a 'reasonably liberal immigration system' controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[darlowolf64]

Can't make it up, can you? "I sacked all my staff and they've told me to fuck off, they aren't coming back. Boris, can you let some desperate, foreign types in to work behind the bar?"