REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[thehistorymakers]

I didn't call you a liar. I asked you to prove your statement. I'm complicit in letting you derail this thread with your $#@!e.

I will not ask you to prove that people are waiting longer than a week to see their doc in emergency situations as that will derail thus thread further. You are blaming immigration which is wrong and has been proved many times over. You choose not to admit that half of all immigration is non-European and also choose to just make stuff up to fit your argument.

I won't feed your attention anymore and apologise to the other TWF'ers for doing as much.

I am not blaming immigrants, I am blaming the people who use immigrants to lower wages and increase their gently yield. I have explained that to you many times, but you still choose to twist what I said.
Anyway, I never knew Blaire was your hero. Hahaahha

 

[thehistorymakers]

I dont think you're a liar, you honestly think that what you say is true.

But it isnt, because you're just plain old stupid.

What I said was true. You brought the urgent an non urgent in to the debate . I said patients and I was right.

 

[AndyWolves]

It's the guardian so you'll probably ignore it but they do cite their sources

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ck-are-eu-migrants-really-taking-british-jobs

 

[Boozad]

No idea why I bother trying to read this thread any more.

 

[leedswolf]

Car crash stuff mate.

 

[Boozad]

Even putting him on ignore wouldn't work, it would just be like watching a lot of people clapping with one hand.

 

[leedswolf]

I have thm on ignore, but when quotes are involved it trashes the whole ignore function thingy.

 

[thehistorymakers]

It's the guardian so you'll probably ignore it but they do cite their sources

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ck-are-eu-migrants-really-taking-british-jobs

I read it but I prefer the Labour manifesto.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I prefer shoving bamboo under my toenails to reading your posts but hey we all have to cope with shit things in our lives.

 

[nimrod]

2, The Tory party loves Austerity, but the Austerity is not why we owe a trillion, it is because our financial system, which the EU and global capitalists love so much is the reason we are in trillion debt. We have decimated our manufacturing base, this took the ultimate power from the workers. Our whole system is wrong, staying in the EU was the problem. The very few are happy while the workers are punished with austerity. A constant flow of cheap Labour, causing higher rents. A strain on our public services, just to exasperate the situation.

i think quite a few would agree with the general sentiment, though there's a few things you miss out. one key one is that the "system" you complain about has been democratically supported at every election certainly for the whole of my voting lifetime. so when you point the finger at the eu, you're really pointing it at the british public and the democratic system. the eu doesn't require states to decimate their manufacturing base, nor did it require britain to impose austerity. we did that ourselves, again based upon the "democratic" vote. and quite a few on here have argued that Cameron's austerity policy based on "in it together" was a big lie, but then of course, you condone politicians lying when it suits you, as well as showing that very tendency yourself.

and by the way, i imagine most of us on here are working and paying their share into the system, so we don't need to be patronised by you banging on about "workers". unless, that is, the forum is populated by multi-millionaires and i just haven't realised it.

 

[nimrod]

I didn't call you a liar. .

i've called him a liar, but only because he is one.

 

[AndyWolves]

I read it but I prefer the Labour manifesto.

The point about areas with lots of immigrants forcing down wages by 1% over 8 years was interesting

The other point was the positive impact on the economy migrants have had


Apparently EU migrants make up 5% of the NHS but also make up 5% of the population so I guess that balances out

 

[thehistorymakers]

i've called him a liar, but only because he is one.

Silly post, that doesn't prove anything, just that you want to be in a clique. To me you go down in estimation. I read your posts, I disagree with a lot of them, but they are your opinions. I could call you a liar, but I don't see what it adds to the debate.

 

[nimrod]

Silly post, that doesn't prove anything, just that you want to be in a clique. To me you go down in estimation. I read your posts, I disagree with a lot of them, but they are your opinions. I could call you a liar, but I don't see what it adds to the debate.

if you didn't want to be called a liar, 1) you shouldn't have made up stuff you claimed I said when I didn't, and 2) you shouldn't have claimed I hadn't said stuff when I had. I've pointed these out to you in the threads and called you out on it there and then. if you're now claiming I didn't then that's another one to add to the list.

 

[thehistorymakers]

i think quite a few would agree with the general sentiment, though there's a few things you miss out. one key one is that the "system" you complain about has been democratically supported at every election certainly for the whole of my voting lifetime. so when you point the finger at the eu, you're really pointing it at the british public and the democratic system. the eu doesn't require states to decimate their manufacturing base, nor did it require britain to impose austerity. we did that ourselves, again based upon the "democratic" vote. and quite a few on here have argued that Cameron's austerity policy based on "in it together" was a big lie, but then of course, you condone politicians lying when it suits you, as well as showing that very tendency yourself.

and by the way, i imagine most of us on here are working and paying their share into the system, so we don't need to be patronised by you banging on about "workers". unless, that is, the forum is populated by multi-millionaires and i just haven't realised it.

I would love you to post about the absolute failures of the EU. The punitive measures against southern EU countries. Demanding that they sack hundreds of thousands civil servants. Giving them loans to pay back loans to EU ( German banks) and making demands of austerity that has to be paid for by the very poorest of society. Yes, the EU demands austerity.
I don't see one word about the mass unemployment, especially mass youth unemployment. Your idea of the EU, is blind one-sided, Unbalanced and wrong.

 

[AndyWolves]

I would love you to post about the absolute failures of the EU. The punitive measures against southern EU countries. Demanding that they sack hundreds of thousands civil servants. Giving them loans to pay back loans to EU ( German banks) and making demands of austerity that has to be paid for by the very poorest of society. Yes, the EU demands austerity.
I don't see one word about the mass unemployment, especially mass youth unemployment. Your idea of the EU, is blind one-sided, Unbalanced and wrong.

They fucked Greece over for sure, but then Greece should never have been allowed in. It's a bit disingenuous though to say that's the EU modus operandi though. Western countries, Britain included, have been doing that and worse to third world countries for years prior

 

[thehistorymakers]

They $#@!ed Greece over for sure, but then Greece should never have been allowed in. It's a bit disingenuous though to say that's the EU modus operandi though. Western countries, Britain included, have been doing that and worse to third world countries for years prior

Yes the UK have, but we are used to hearing all Britain's failings in the past on this forum. The EU are doing it now and a blind eye is turned to the continuous austerity that the EU inflicts along the very poorest people of the continent.

 

[thehistorymakers]

if you didn't want to be called a liar, 1) you shouldn't have made up stuff you claimed I said when I didn't, and 2) you shouldn't have claimed I hadn't said stuff when I had. I've pointed these out to you in the threads and called you out on it there and then. if you're now claiming I didn't then that's another one to add to the list.

There is a huge difference between a poster who has to answer continuously, to 6 or more poster and confuses a post made by another poster . That isn't a lie, it is a mistake. You have made up things, that I am meant to say, that is a lie. Don't worry about it though, I am not going to start silly school kid name calling.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I have thm on ignore, but when quotes are involved it trashes the whole ignore function thingy.

I can't remember when you have said anything interesting about politics. So I have never had to ignore your posts.

 

[nimrod]

I would love you to post about the absolute failures of the EU. The punitive measures against southern EU countries. Demanding that they sack hundreds of thousands civil servants. Giving them loans to pay back loans to EU ( German banks) and making demands of austerity that has to be paid for by the very poorest of society. Yes, the EU demands austerity.
I don't see one word about the mass unemployment, especially mass youth unemployment. Your idea of the EU, is blind one-sided, Unbalanced and wrong.

I have. I wrote that the eu should never have allowed countries to join the euro without them demonstrating their economies can live within the constraints that management of that currency would demand. I said it was a mistake, but let's be clear - it was also a choice by those countries democratically elected governments who are responsible for their respective country's economies. so again, do not FUCKING LIE and say this is my idea of the EU. it isn't.

we went through this about Greece - if you recall, as I do, you complained about the eu reforms being imposed in Greece and when it was pointed out that it was Greece that managed its economy and created huge deficits and failed to reform - eg paying some pensions at age 45 - you conceded that Greece did indeed need to reform. you think that's ever going to happen if a creditor doesn't force them to or do you think they should be allowed to continue to pay pensions to 45 year olds whilst the "workers" across the rest of Europe pay them to?

Greece voted in its government, its government chooses to join the EU, its government mis-manages the economy, its government chooses to hire a US merchant bank to hide liabilities and misrepresent its financial returns to the EU. It falsely maintains its credit rating in order to borrow more money that it cannot pay back. it's "democracy" that voted in these crooks wasn't it, not the eu. and your solution is what? to carry on regardless whilst the rest of us fund them? oh but it isn't is it, because you've already said, let's get out of Europe before those economies crash so we don't have to help bail them out. then you accuse everyone else of not caring about the poor, when really other than paying lip service to them, your solution seems to be to run away from them as fast as you can?