REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Papper]

Go on then?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...red-15billion-extra-foreign-investment-since/

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

My daughter's has just picked her options, my personal opinion, the way schooling has gone is terrible if you are not academic. Not one option was Vocational.

Always been that way as far as I know. Vocational stuff was definitely not on the table in the 90s, our kid had nothing in that sense offered to him at the comp. As it's turned out it hasn't mattered because he's done very well indeed but he was not academic at all and so it was just get what you can in your GCSEs and that's it.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Always been that way as far as I know. Vocational stuff was definitely not on the table in the 90s, our kid had nothing in that sense offered to him at the comp. As it's turned out it hasn't mattered because he's done very well indeed but he was not academic at all and so it was just get what you can in your GCSEs and that's it.

It was bad when I was at school, but there was not one option at Wolgarston, no art, no cooking, no nothing, PE was probably the closest.

 

[Penk Wolf]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...red-15billion-extra-foreign-investment-since/

Really?

 

[Tony Towner]

Always been that way as far as I know. Vocational stuff was definitely not on the table in the 90s, our kid had nothing in that sense offered to him at the comp. As it's turned out it hasn't mattered because he's done very well indeed but he was not academic at all and so it was just get what you can in your GCSEs and that's it.

Isn't that one of the reasons May would advocate Grammar schools and Secondary Moderns? It gives the less academic greater scope to train for a career. It's not a philosophy I subscribe to, more like elitism whilst throwing the rest on the scrap heap would be how she'd enact it, but I guess that's the theory.

 

[Johnny75]

Is it hell! Never in human history has there been such an unfit obese, overweight work force in the UK. On top of at the daily required intake to maintain weight is down to its lowest at 2450 calories as day. Compare that to 3500 in the 50 s and 60s.

There is also a huge shift towards non manual careers.

Manual labour and construction jobs are getting harder to fill hence the large number of Eastern European tradesmen on sites.

The British work force has sadly become more workshy once the 70s and made worse by unrealistic expectations being set by schools, social media, reality tv, lottery wins and backed by a welfare state. Every kid wants to be a rock star, singer, you tuber or DJ now not a train driver or Electrician.

If world war three happened now we are $#@!ed

What a load of unsubstantiated fucking shite. The world is a different place from your illiterate ramblings and very different from the time you want to take it back to. The majority of jobs are not manual, the digital revolution has happened and we are bordering on an AI revolution. Supply chains will shrink and human evolution will once more change as we 3D print houses and infrastructure and AI takes care of the driving.

Jobs will change it's time the Luddite in you realises that.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Perhaps we should have a 'Left Wing Tit' Thread. Or the 'I Voted Remain and I am A $#@!' Thread. They always know what's best for everyone else don't they. They preach tolerance and respect yet they are more intolerant than anyone else and have no respect for anyone whose views differ from theirs.

So, as you seem to like your links, have a look at this one. You and some of your friends will just love the Student, Kaite Welsh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boCmsa6wRas

94% of UK Universities have 'censored' free speech in the past year.
Roger Scruton spoke out against same-sex marriage - Banned
Germaine Greer apparently "demonstrated misogynistic views towards trans-women" - Banned
Even Human Rights Activist, Maryam Namazie, who was giving talks which challenged aspects of the Muslim Religion - Banned

Incredibly, the Student says that she believes in Freedom of Speech, and does not believe that this is censorship ?

As Andrew Neil says, she cannot see that people like her have taken away the freedom of speech for these people to speak at their Universities.

Julie Bindel was banned too for God's sake ! Has anyone done more than her to help women or campaigned more against Domestic Violence ?

If these sort of people are being banned then how will they cope with the views of anyone 'Right of Centre' ?

But it's ok because by censoring, students are saying 'No to bigotry' and 'No to hate speech'.

City University London, runs a "Journalism Course", and they voted to ban The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express.
You couldn't make it up could you.

Of course it's always a small minority of extremists who put these bans in place and they are very dangerous people.

This intolerance to other people's views reminded me of some of the pompous, self righteous posters on here. They are clearly in the minority with their views and are not representative of the views of the vast majority of people in Wolverhampton and many other industrial towns. But they do tend to shout the loudest and mobilise together when one of their own kind has his views questioned. If they don't like an opinion or the way it is expressed, they resort to ridicule or abuse but then get rather upset when they get some thrown back at them and they love telling people that they are 'playing the victim'.

exactly exactly you could not make it up sometimes. Idealistic idiots at times. They don't realise that extremist zealots end up hanging themselves because they haver been able to voice views that fall foul of the moderate majority either centre right or centre left.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Isn't that one of the reasons May would advocate Grammar schools and Secondary Moderns? It gives the less academic greater scope to train for a career. It's not a philosophy I subscribe to, more like elitism whilst throwing the rest on the scrap heap would be how she'd enact it, but I guess that's the theory.

Yeah, I guess. I struggle to be objective about grammar schools being the product of one. I can honestly say it gave me an incredible boost academically but then that's just my good fortune I suppose. It isn't exactly egalitarian.

The German education system is leagues ahead of ours.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Yeah, I guess. I struggle to be objective about grammar schools being the product of one. I can honestly say it gave me an incredible boost academically but then that's just my good fortune I suppose. It isn't exactly egalitarian.

The German education system is leagues ahead of ours.

Why? What can we learn?

 

[Papper]

Really?

Yes, really. How many have jumped ship?

The re-evaluation increases investment into this country, increases exports and creates jobs. Costly imports means those companies have to be more competitive or new markets evolve - better for the consumer.

Swings and roundabouts.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ant-nissan-posts-uk-profits-jump-brexit-deal/

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Why? What can we learn?

Way better vocational options. Much wider range of learning for everyone. No pointless exams just to have a dick swinging contest at the expense of pupils and teachers. Afternoons at school left free for sport and ancillary pursuits with proper facilities as they haven't sold off every scrap of spare land. Proper funding. Free university education.

 

[Papper]

Yeah, I guess. I struggle to be objective about grammar schools being the product of one. I can honestly say it gave me an incredible boost academically but then that's just my good fortune I suppose. It isn't exactly egalitarian.

The German education system is leagues ahead of ours.

Looks great on a CV too ;-). The joys and benefits of Elitism.

 

[Tony Towner]

Yeah, I guess. I struggle to be objective about grammar schools being the product of one. I can honestly say it gave me an incredible boost academically but then that's just my good fortune I suppose. It isn't exactly egalitarian.

The German education system is leagues ahead of ours.

I think the principle is fine, but believe under a Tory Government the 'other' schools would just be left to rot. You are also making judgements on people Alva very early age. I went to school with a lad who wasn't at all academic until he really got into the sciences at GCSE level, he went on to do a PHD at Durham. I don't think he'd have done that if he was streamed at 11.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Looks great on a CV too ;-). The joys and benefits of Elitism.

I'm still waiting to see said benefits and I left 18 years ago

I think the principle is fine, but believe under a Tory Government the 'other' schools would just be left to rot. You are also making judgements on people Alva very early age. I went to school with a lad who wasn't at all academic until he really got into the sciences at GCSE level, he went on to do a PHD at Durham. I don't think he'd have done that if he was streamed at 11.

True. Being someone who is adept at using 2,000 words when 50 will do helped me out. I don't have a clue about anything practical, my maths is just about ok and my science was truly dismal (how I managed to scrape B/C/C at GCSE level I do not know). So being "academic" is not really cut and dried. I can do some things, I can't do others. But how do you know at such an early age...

It's definitely an imperfect system, I don't deny that at all.

 

[Johnny75]

I think the principle is fine, but believe under a Tory Government the 'other' schools would just be left to rot. You are also making judgements on people Alva very early age. I went to school with a lad who wasn't at all academic until he really got into the sciences at GCSE level, he went on to do a PHD at Durham. I don't think he'd have done that if he was streamed at 11.

Isn't the idea that you are evaluated year on year and given a broader range of subjects so that if you are good with practical sciences for example there is a better route to get your PhD?

A good government would see this as bringing everybody into their own but sadly not this one. I like the Scandinavian system personally and would hope this incessant testing of children will stop. The Fins seem to have made a cracking job of it and dealing with multiculturalism too.

 

[Tony Towner]

Isn't the idea that you are evaluated year on year and given a broader range of subjects so that if you are good with practical sciences for example there is a better route to get your PhD?

A good government would see this as bringing everybody into their own but sadly not this one. I like the Scandinavian system personally and would hope this incessant testing of children will stop. The Fins seem to have made a cracking job of it and dealing with multiculturalism too.

It's difficult to say because May talks about the Grammar Schools and giving those from all backgrounds the opportunity of of the best education, nothing has been said about those left behind.

 

[Johnny75]

It's difficult to say because May talks about the Grammar Schools and giving those from all backgrounds the opportunity of of the best education, nothing has been said about those left behind.

Maybe there's an opportunity for a Free school system to do just this? I'm not saying it's perfect but I think we have a good opportunity to do this with that option there. It's a bit of a loophole for those that think education can be different.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

What a load of unsubstantiated $#@!ing $#@!e. The world is a different place from your illiterate ramblings and very different from the time you want to take it back to. The majority of jobs are not manual, the digital revolution has happened and we are bordering on an AI revolution. Supply chains will shrink and human evolution will once more change as we 3D print houses and infrastructure and AI takes care of the driving.

Jobs will change it's time the Luddite in you realises that.

Johnny stop being a twat. I know its hard. You are the very definition of a keyboard warrior.

This country under builds 200 thousand houses a year. Now I concede you can do that with a three d printer as I suggested earlier in the thread but in the main its done by qualified bricklayers, plumbers and electrician's. As I am a qualified electrician , just not up to date I have a clue about that just like you were so keen to point out to me about your football connections.
We don't build houses for many reasons. A big one is a s shortage if tradesmen and women
Just because we are in a digital age does not reduce the need for houses you know!

You are the epitome of an angry man . Debate and disagree by all means but pick your battles man!

When it comes to the use of digital technology I have as national award from the 2012 Olympics. I think Luddite was very wide of the mark, even for you.

And explain your use of the word illiterate.

 

[Tony Towner]

Maybe there's an opportunity for a Free school system to do just this? I'm not saying it's perfect but I think we have a good opportunity to do this with that option there. It's a bit of a loophole for those that think education can be different.

Potentially, Free Schools have a bit of a toxic reputation associated with being faith schools, not employing 'real' teachers and Gove. There's no reason why genuine technical colleges couldn't be set up under this system though

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Way better vocational options. Much wider range of learning for everyone. No pointless exams just to have a dick swinging contest at the expense of pupils and teachers. Afternoons at school left free for sport and ancillary pursuits with proper facilities as they haven't sold off every scrap of spare land. Proper funding. Free university education.

You're right. We could learn tons from this! I would love to see similar here