REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Trips]

That's what's happening now - although scaled down. Economic migration is necessary to fill the gaps. Why would that change? The price of a pint is still open to market forces/competition.

Lets pay everyone £30k and get migrants to do all the work while we all go to the pub everyday - post-Brexit Britain!!!

 

[Papper]

You don't need £30k, please don't be absurd.

The average wage is only about £25k, you can't claim in work benefits when you earn way below that (maybe £13k? I haven't checked) and JSA claimants get less than £4k a year.

Okay 25K. That figure was just off the top of my head. JSA gets topped up with other welfare such as housing benefit.

 

[Trips]

Any rise would be applied above the minimum figure of £30K You are taxed on £35K instead of £30K. Somebody who is doing a low skilled job is hardly going to get a pay rise above £30K.

But nobody is going to do the low-skilled job for £30k, because they can get £30k to watch Jeremy Kyle and Countdown all day

 

[Papper]

Lets pay everyone £30k and get migrants to do all the work while we all go to the pub everyday - post-Brexit Britain!!!

You Capitalist Trips ! I'd be absolutely delighted if everybody was taken out of poverty. Again, not entirely sure people would down tools.

 

[Sniffer]

But nobody is going to do the low-skilled job for £30k, because they can get £30k to watch Jeremy Kyle and Countdown all day

Rachel can do the maths. She'll stay at home too!

 

[Tredman]

There's definitely something there in a universal income and it probably needs to be looked at sharpish - automation is going to do a good few of us out of jobs fairly quickly, especially in a post brexit UK

 

[Papper]

But nobody is going to do the low-skilled job for £30k, because they can get £30k to watch Jeremy Kyle and Countdown all day

The benefits cap for a couple is £26K so we ain't that far off !

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The benefits cap for a couple is £26K so we ain't that far off !

There are very, very, very few circumstances where the Government will dish that kind of money out. Resign from your job and find out how much they give you...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But JSA is £73 a week.

 

[Papper]

There are very, very, very few circumstances where the Government will dish that kind of money out. Resign from your job and find out how much they give you...

According to the DWP 33,000 families were prior to the cap.

 

[visage]

Any rise would be applied above the minimum figure of £30K You are taxed on £35K instead of £30K. Somebody who is doing a low skilled job is hardly going to get a pay rise above £30K.

That doesnt make any sense either.

So I go from 20k + 10k subsidy to 25k + 10k subsidy, to go from 30k to 35k total. Fine.

Someone else might go, by your logic, from 15k + 15k subsidy to 20k + 15k subsidy to 35k total.

SO you have this wierd situation that your subsidy is whatever it was when you first started getting it, and never changes.

SO if I start work in my first job on 35k, I get no subsidy, ever.

Someone else starts on 10k and gets a 20k subsidy that they retain in perpetuity to ensure they benefit from any pay rises.

So even if the second guy overtakes the first , he'll still get his bonus?

I'd suggest that you havent really thought this through.....

 

[Papper]

That doesnt make any sense either.

So I go from 20k + 10k subsidy to 25k + 10k subsidy, to go from 30k to 35k total. Fine.

Someone else might go, by your logic, from 15k + 15k subsidy to 20k + 15k subsidy to 35k total.

SO you have this wierd situation that your subsidy is whatever it was when you first started getting it, and never changes.

SO if I start work in my first job on 35k, I get no subsidy, ever.

Someone else starts on 10k and gets a 20k subsidy that they retain in perpetuity to ensure they benefit from any pay rises.

So even if the second guy overtakes the first , he'll still get his bonus?

I'd suggest that you havent really thought this through.....

How can you be earning 10K or 20K when the minimum income is £30K? That is merely the value of your job and you are not necessarily taxed on that value.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

According to the DWP 33,000 families were prior to the cap.

In a population of over 60,000,000 which would rather prove the point.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Replacing themselves budget with a Universal Basic Income without spending any extra would amount approximately £5000 per annum for each adult.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

This is a complete non bloody starter.

There are something like 1.6m claiming JSA. They are all getting (at best) £73 a week. So that is less than £300 a month. IE less than £4000 a year. And you think dismantling the welfare state will give you the cash to pay them ALL around £4000 MORE than the national average wage, while at the same time topping everyone else up to ensure nobody is below that level??

It is cloud bloody cuckoo land.

 

[Papper]

In a population of over 60,000,000 which would rather prove the point.

But that wasn't my point. What do you think the minimum income should be for single/families? if you take welfare payments out of the equation. A minimum income where you don't rely on state support.

 

[Papper]

This is a complete non bloody starter.

There are something like 1.6m claiming JSA. They are all getting (at best) £73 a week. So that is less than £300 a month. IE less than £4000 a year. And you think dismantling the welfare state will give you the cash to pay them ALL around £4000 MORE than the national average wage, while at the same time topping everyone else up to ensure nobody is below that level??

It is cloud bloody cuckoo land.

Why shouldn't people be taken out of poverty? That is all I am suggesting .. It seems the worry is that it would de-incentivise work if the level was too high so what should a universal income figure be in that case be?

 

[Papper]

Replacing themselves budget with a Universal Basic Income without spending any extra would amount approximately £5000 per annum for each adult.

How much does a person require for a reasonable standard of living - one that means he put a roof over their head, have a holiday, drive a car, socialise, watch the crap at Molineux etc?

£25K ???

 

[visage]

How can you be earning 10K or 20K when the minimum income is £30K? That is merely the value of your job and you are not necessarily taxed on that value.

Those figures are what my employers pays me.

Or are you saying you'd oblige employers to pay everyone 30k a year?

 

[visage]

How can you be earning 10K or 20K when the minimum income is £30K? That is merely the value of your job and you are not necessarily taxed on that value.

Those figures are what my employers pays me.

Or are you saying you'd oblige employers to pay everyone 30k a year?