REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[So Long Architect]

Has anyone on here ever claimed the Guardian to be completely objective? Everyone agrees they have a liberal-left bias. The point that has been made repeatedly is that it doesn't knowingly print outright lies and gives quite a lot of space for opinion that doesn't match its own editorial stance.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

So any media outlet that reports opinion or gives their opinion is propaganda?

If you can't distinguish between opinion and propaganda the problem is with you not the media.

THM has taken a potentially valid point - that The Guardian was pro-remain (which nobody disagrees with) and taken it to the extreme almost as if he wants people to disagree with him. This serves his self created sense of victim hood on this forum where everyone is out to get him.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Double post.

 

[Johnny75]

Ha ! As I said read it again slooooowlllyyy .. You're seeing things. In the context of universal income I didn't mention low paid jobs because there won't be low paid jobs if people receive the figure I would pay !!! Geddit ??? The incentive to work is not entirely based on monetary gain - although you may be different.

So no answers to the phrases you had uttered. Not me, you.

I have no idea why I bother with you, you're an idiot always answering the questions posed without addressing the points raised.

I'm sure if I asked what colour a ripe banana is you'd answer 'elephants'.

 

[ProgWolf]

GuardianWarPropaganda?

That sounds like an excellent objective source.

Im going to give you 24h away from this forum so that you dont get distracted from your search for better evidence. We'll see what you come up with when you get back.

So you have decided to ban THM for 24 hours because he thinks The Guardian deals in propaganda, and none of your 'friends' have spoken out against it. Says a lot about some of the people on this thread. You must be sleeping with Johnny 75 ?

 

[Tredman]

So you have decided to ban THM for 24 hours because he thinks The Guardian deals in propaganda, and none of your 'friends' have spoken out against it. Says a lot about some of the people on this thread. You must be sleeping with Johnny 75 ?

It seemed to be more about him refusing to back anything he said about it up, at least as far as I can see. Not much point in having a debate if you just throw accusations around and refuse to provide evidence when asked.

 

[visage]

Correct.

 

[ProgWolf]

It seemed to be more about him refusing to back anything he said about it up, at least as far as I can see. Not much point in having a debate if you just throw accusations around and refuse to provide evidence when asked.

We all know where THM stands on the subject. The truth is that because a Mod doesn't like his points of view or his political persuasion, he can abuse his power on the Forum and ban someone on a whim if it suits him. It's like the actions of a petulant child.

 

[Johnny75]

We all know where THM stands on the subject. The truth is that because a Mod doesn't like his points of view or his political persuasion, he can abuse his power on the Forum and ban someone on a whim if it suits him. It's like the actions of a petulant child.

Did you just ignore everything in Tredman's post?

 

[So Long Architect]

We all know where THM stands on the subject. The truth is that because a Mod doesn't like his points of view or his political persuasion, he can abuse his power on the Forum and ban someone on a whim if it suits him. It's like the actions of a petulant child.

Surely if it was due to THM's political views, you, Paddy, Cyber, Frank, Johnny, Premier, Arklo and some others would all have been banned before now?

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2017/03/09/spurs-blames-brexit-for-skyrocketing-stadium-cost/

 

[visage]

Its anecdotal, but I went out for dinner last night with a friend who is in the IT recruitment business - high end devs in the financial services sector - the sort of guys who earn 6 figures... Apparently the number of EU nationals applying has plummeted since Brexit - the concern is that the jobs are only going to end up being shipped back to Paris/Frankfurt anyway. Plus the drop in the value of the pound means it isnt as lucrative any more.

 

[So Long Architect]

This will be the reality of Brexit, I think. Not an armageddon scenario, just a slow loss of influence and attractiveness to the outside world. The American Chamber of Commerce to the EU has just warned that a lot of US investment in the UK will be under threat as much of it was here to make use of our access to the single market. The EU being the single most important market for the US.

 

[Johnny75]

This will be the reality of Brexit, I think. Not an armageddon scenario, just a slow loss of influence and attractiveness to the outside world. The American Chamber of Commerce to the EU has just warned that a lot of US investment in the UK will be under threat as much of it was here to make use of our access to the single market. The EU being the single most important market for the US.

It's not like anybody predicted this either is it. I still think we won't be that bad but we will lose a lot of trade just because of a lack of access to the single market.

 

[ProgWolf]

Did you just ignore everything in Tredman's post?

It was completely irrelevant because there was absolutely no reason for THM to be banned. It was purely done for personal reasons on the part of a biased Mod who does not like his opinions. You may not like his opinions either, or the way he debates, but that is no reason for a ban. But when it becomes personal, you and others like you, will be happy he is banned as you have 'put him in his place' and sent out a warning to anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't debate in a way that suits you.

Can you not see how petty and pathetic that looks ?

 

[Johnny75]

It was completely irrelevant because there was absolutely no reason for THM to be banned. It was purely done for personal reasons on the part of a biased Mod who does not like his opinions. You may not like his opinions either, or the way he debates, but that is no reason for a ban. But when it becomes personal, you and others like you, will be happy he is banned as you have 'put him in his place' and sent out a warning to anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't debate in a way that suits you.

Can you not see how petty and pathetic that looks ?

He wasn't banned for anything you've just posted. He was sat on the naughty step because he made a very strong assertion about something he couldn't back up and then accused people of being indoctrinated by this same assertion. If anybody else made that same statement then they too could expect to be challenged.

All this victimhood nonsense is fairly embarrassing for grown men tbh.

Back on topic, can you provide a plan for Brexit yet?

 

[ProgWolf]

Surely if it was due to THM's political views, you, Paddy, Cyber, Frank, Johnny, Premier, Arklo and some others would all have been banned before now?

I think it's far more petty and personal than that. Vis just does not like THM and his views and loves the fact that he can just kick him off the Forum. It's really rather sad. But hey-ho, that's democracy. Oh hang on.....

 

[leedswolf]

Isn't there an Admin forum where this stuff can be discussed?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I think it's far more petty and personal than that. Vis just does not like THM and his views and loves the fact that he can just kick him off the Forum. It's really rather sad. But hey-ho, that's democracy. Oh hang on.....

I think Vis actually dislikes how THM manages to de-rail pretty much every discussion enters with his own unique brand of nonsense, I doubt he has anything personal against a guy he's never met but his presence has often lead to threads becoming a complete mess because he throws a load of accusations around and doesn't engage properly when those statements are countered, he either just keeps going over the same issue adding nothing to back it up or just moves onto another, usually completely unrelated, topic.

It's not what his views that are the problem but the way he tries, often fails, to put them across.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

It was completely irrelevant because there was absolutely no reason for THM to be banned. It was purely done for personal reasons on the part of a biased Mod who does not like his opinions. You may not like his opinions either, or the way he debates, but that is no reason for a ban. But when it becomes personal, you and others like you, will be happy he is banned as you have 'put him in his place' and sent out a warning to anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't debate in a way that suits you.

Can you not see how petty and pathetic that looks ?

While I don't agree with THM's ban (not that it is my place to judge, that's up to the forum mods) I can see why he was banned.

This thread has had to be closed on many occasions with THM being involved pretty much every time it was closed. The current affairs sub forum was created with a massive warning to anyone that posts on it that they would be banned from the sub forum if they couldn't offer anything constructive or post in an appropriate manner.

It's not his political beliefs that cause the issues, it's his posting style. All he had to do was offer some evidence for his claims but despite the fact that he could post "link after link for the rest of his life" he chose not to. All this victim/conspiracy nonsense is a crock of shit.