REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[So Long Architect]

I never said, he was sticking up for the working class.

You might not have, but he has.

 

[visage]

The only person that Nigel Farage sticks up for is Nigel Farage.

 

[Del Woppio]

No, to vote Brexit was a vote to control our own laws...

Which EU enforced laws are you looking forward to us repealing?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Which EU enforced laws are you looking forward to us repealing?

The one that says EU law is supreme, over our own sovereign law!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The sovereign law that our amazing PM currently wants to ignore, overriding a mere 327 years of precedent?

 

[thehistorymakers]

The sovereign law that our amazing PM currently wants to ignore, overriding a mere 327 years of precedent?

http://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/european-law/the-principles-of-supremacy-law-essays.php

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't see the relevance of that link to what I posted.

The Government are currently actively seeking to override the sovereignty of Parliament. Like, right now. It's in the news and everything.

These people are running Brexit and they don't give a shit about sovereignty, they've already aptly demonstrated that. As such it can't really be used as an argument any more.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I don't see the relevance of that link to what I posted.

The Government are currently actively seeking to override the sovereignty of Parliament. Like, right now. It's in the news and everything.

These people are running Brexit and they don't give a $#@! about sovereignty, they've already aptly demonstrated that. As such it can't really be used as an argument any more.

From the link above.






One of the most significant ways in which European integrations has changed is through the submissions of sovereignty from member states to the Community. The doctrines of direct effect and supremacy have arguably undermined the sovereignty of the member states for a number of reasons. After the declaration of the primacy of EU law, member states such as Germany and France attempted to challenge this principle so as not to affect their constitutional legal system. In Internationale Handelsgesellschaft [13] the ECJ were presented with the first challenge to doctrine of supremacy as the German court claimed that a German constitutional right was violated by an EC regulation. The Community, under the doctrine of supremacy upheld the regulation, in turn asserting that community law overrides all member state legislation including constitutional provisions. Hence , it became clear that Community law had absolute primacy and states which wanted to be a part of the European Community would have to surrender a significant part of their sovereignty in order to respect the treaty regulations. This is also exemplified in ex parte Factortame [14] , a case in which the British courts were asked to grant an interim injunction against the crown, something they had never done before, because of a conflict between EC law and national law. Under Article 4 TFEU, national courts had an obligation to protect the interests of their persons which arise from Community law even if it posed a threat to national legislation. A new shift in the integration process has also come as a natural consequence of the community’s cohesion policy to unite the member states in economic terms as well as legally. The community’s adoption of the policies of direct effect and supremacy has meant that it “now possesses most the characteristics of a federation" [15] . The community has become “supranational" [16] in the legal sphere and has achieved unity amongst its member states by requiring that they all adopt and give primacy to directly effective European legislation.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'm not sure why you're making a completely unrelated counter to the point I've tried to raise twice so I think I'll back out here.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I'm not sure why you're making a completely unrelated counter to the point I've tried to raise twice so I think I'll back out here.

I am not saying you are wrong, what you said Dan, but I was asked a question to which EU law I wouuld repeal and I answered, with the supremacy of EU law over UK law.

 

[Del Woppio]

What specific problems has that 'supremacy' caused us? Not on a macro "British Laws for British People!" level, on a specific level. An EU law that affects our day to day life that we can look forward to being rid of.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

This seems fitting...

 

[thehistorymakers]

What specific problems has that 'supremacy' caused us? Not on a macro "British Laws for British People!" level, on a specific level. An EU law that affects our day to day life that we can look forward to being rid of.

For me, it comes down to the principle, do you want to be governed and adhere to British law, or by the jurisdiction of a foreign state.
Do you trust the EU, more than our demcratically elected UK politicians?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

The one that says EU law is supreme, over our own sovereign law!

So you want to keep all the rest of the laws then?

 

[Del Woppio]

For me, it comes down to the principle, do you want to be governed and adhere to British law, or by the jurisdiction of a foreign state.
Do you trust the EU, more than our demcratically elected UK politicians?

You atill haven't answered the question. Name one specific law that affects our day to day lives that you're excited for us to be rid of.

And FWIW, I'm quite happy that out democratically elected politicians don't have carte blanche to do what they want, because the majority of government are utter bastards.

 

[Penk Wolf]

You atill haven't answered the question. Name one specific law that affects our day to day lives that you're excited for us to be rid of.

And FWIW, I'm quite happy that out democratically elected politicians don't have carte blanche to do what they want, because the majority of government are utter bastards.

I hate that my lawn mower is so quiet.

 

[thehistorymakers]

And FWIW, I'm quite happy that out democratically elected politicians don't have carte blanche to do what they want, because the majority of government are utter bastards.

I did answer it. The EU will have no jurisdiction over UK law. At the moment up to 70% of UK law involves the EU.

So you don't trust or want the UK government that UK citizens have democratically voted for, but you trust the unelected EU commisioners?

 

[thehistorymakers]

I hate that my lawn mower is so quiet.

Hahhahahah

 

[Langers]

I did answer it. The EU will have no jurisdiction over UK law. At the moment up to 70% of UK law involves the EU.

So you don't trust or want the UK government that UK citizens have democratically voted for, but you trust the unelected EU commisioners?

You didn't. He asked you to name a specific law. You've not done that.

 

[thehistorymakers]

You didn't. He asked you to name a specific law. You've not done that.

I have played this game before, a one way question game. My answer is that I want the UK to make their own laws and to be ruled by a democratically elected goverment, not by EU commisioners.