Rafa Mir

[Irish_Wolf]

Is he still at Wolves?? Does he train with the first team and was he at the team celebrations through the town?

If ever a player needs to go out on loan to the championship next season it is him.

 

[YoungWolf]

Yes, he was in the celebrations, and has been on the bench and trains with the first team.

I don't think anyone has seen him anywhere enough to know what he needs. Nuno may just feel he needs time to adapt to coming to a new team, city,country half way through a season. Wouldn't surprise me if he is a back up option next season at all.

 

[machin05]

Maybe we could loan him to Real? :smarmy:

 

[Alan]

He looked to have a good set of physical tools, just a matter of whether or not he beds into the country/club. Valencia supporters elsewhere certainly didn't seem thrilled he was leaving (although resigned to its inevitability).

He may not turn out to make a single further senior appearance for us but it's too early to say. I'm not sure Nuno ever really wanted him to be in the playing picture so quickly, anyway.

 

[Siggy]

He has a lot of potential, which is why we signed him. For a big lad hes quite mobile and has a decent first touch and already some good link up play. His main weaknesses from what I have seen so far is virtually no aerial threat, lacks strength, whilst hes reasonably mobile he wont be skinning people for pace. His positioning was dreadful against Swansea, sitting off the shoulder of the last defender wasn't working he made little attempt to adapt to the game and the conditions.

Hes raw and admitted after the Swansea game he has to learn and adapt so it will be interesting to see what happens next time he plays, which I imagine will be in the cup.

I think given our style of play a loan wouldn't help him too much, training with the first team and impressing in pre-season and the cup will be his first target.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

With the amount of loan moves that go absolutely nowhere, it makes no sense to me that year on year, people promote them wholesale as a way to help our young/fringe players. Most of the time they end up just wasting months or an entire year.

The hit rate is terrible on them. Marshall has probably worked out well for us this year - he's proven that he's a very good player at Championship level and we can sell him on that basis at an appropriate fee rather than him having sat around here doing nothing for a while. Great. But Collins, Flatt, Hayden, Levingston, Simpson, Deslandes, Johnson, Armstrong, Rainey, Allan, Carnat, Iorfa, Zyro, Ronan, Leak, Gladon, Nazon, Randall, Graham, Oniangue, Ebanks-Landell, Ruddy Jr, Stevenson, Ennis, McKenna, Wilson, Herc...how many of those have been in any way worthwhile? One? Two?

 

[Siggy]

I think from the perspective of getting potential moves for some of our former 1st team players loans have worked .... Zyro, Marshall, Gladon & Oniangue for example should be able to command some sort of fee somewhere as a result of their efforts. If you look at things from a development perspective however pretty much all the moves have been an unmitigated disaster as the list you gave proves.

The worry for me is what to do with the likes of Bright, there is so much potential in that boy but he will be even further from the fringes of our first team next season and needs to play real football matches. The same could be said of MGW who is potentially a fabulous player but will need time. A loan could work if its the right kind of team playing the right kind of football, dare I say Millwall might be a good destination for MGW or Bright?

Sending the younger lads out pretty much anywhere that will have them has failed horribly so will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Sam-Wolf]

The worry for me is what to do with the likes of Bright, there is so much potential in that boy but he will be even further from the fringes of our first team next season and needs to play real football matches. The same could be said of MGW who is potentially a fabulous player but will need time. A loan could work if its the right kind of team playing the right kind of football, dare I say Millwall might be a good destination for MGW or Bright?

Sending the younger lads out pretty much anywhere that will have them has failed horribly so will be interesting to see what happens.

I completely agree with your final point, sending the younger ones anywhere hasn't produced what it should have. Surely we do some form of vetting of the teams we're sending them to, for example, Ronan should have got more first team experience at Pompey, and isn't the opinion of most Portsmouth fans that he should have played more?
That said, I can't see MGW or Bright fitting into that Millwall team anywhere, both from the style of football that Millwall play and the formation that they use, I don't know where they'd fit.

 

[Siggy]

I completely agree with your final point, sending the younger ones anywhere hasn't produced what it should have. Surely we do some form of vetting of the teams we're sending them to, for example, Ronan should have got more first team experience at Pompey, and isn't the opinion of most Portsmouth fans that he should have played more?
That said, I can't see MGW or Bright fitting into that Millwall team anywhere, both from the style of football that Millwall play and the formation that they use, I don't know where they'd fit.

Even more confusing is with both players I don't know what they are, and I don't think Nuno knows either.

MGW claims to be a CM however having seen him there a few times he just doesn't look like he has the physical attributes to make it work but yet hes great on the ball. Similarly with Bright other than his performance against City he doesn't look like a striker to me, I think he could potentially make a decent IF but maybe hes a winger??

I suppose we need to sort that out before we do anything, but MGW for example if he could improve the physical side of his game could work well with Saville. As for Bright he is potentially a million times better than Wallace but again can he play that postition.

I think I have just successfully confused myself even more haha.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Bright isn't really a footballer, he's more like a freestyling show pony, all the tricks but no clue what to do in a team game.

 

[Sam-Wolf]

Even more confusing is with both players I don't know what they are, and I don't think Nuno knows either.

MGW claims to be a CM however having seen him there a few times he just doesn't look like he has the physical attributes to make it work but yet hes great on the ball. Similarly with Bright other than his performance against City he doesn't look like a striker to me, I think he could potentially make a decent IF but maybe hes a winger??

I suppose we need to sort that out before we do anything, but MGW for example if he could improve the physical side of his game could work well with Saville. As for Bright he is potentially a million times better than Wallace but again can he play that postition.

I think I have just successfully confused myself even more haha.

It is confusing! I just think if I was a championship manager I'd look forward to playing a team with a midfield 2 of MGW and Saville with a fair bit of confidence.
May well be just a stereotype as I haven't actually seen too much of Millwall other than channel 5 highlights, I would suggest Bright wouldn't have the crossing ability on the wing there. I'm beginning to see him as more of an IF now, it's another weird one as in the youth team his finishing ability and composure looked really good, but he just hasn't even begun to look to match that in the games I've seen him play for us this season to suggest he will end up in that lone striker role.

 

[Tony Towner]

As has been pointed out before the issue isn't the loan it's where we send them. A 20/21 year old going to Telford just says we should have already released them as they aren't ever going to be at the level we require. Ronan who I presume we see as a number 10 (even though we don't use one) shouldn't be going to Kenny Jackett who doesn't value that type of player. I don't believe in asking for guaranteed playing time, the player should earn that, but we should be sending them to teams whose style and formation will benefit them and that's down to Johnny's mate Kev to sort.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

We shouldn't have sent Ronan to Pompey. We know how Ken uses (or doesn't use) creative attacking players and he was predictably marginalised.

Prince did ok for a dreadful Bastia team last season...came back and we couldn't get rid of him. So who knows with him. We'll have to give Gladon away, he isn't worth anything. I'm just pleased Zyro has some kind of a career still, I wouldn't expect to get much money for him though.

I'd have very little confidence that we could send Rafa out to a Championship team and they'd make sufficient use of him in a way that is beneficial to us, it'd probably damage his development more than anything.

MGW is a proper first team player now, I'm not sure anyone knows what to make of Bright.

 

[Tredman]

Bright could be fantastic, I'd rather he was coached by Nuno every day to improve tactically than be shunted out to some tin-pot chris coleman type coach in the champiosnhip

 

[Tony Towner]

Lambert loves Bright. If he stays at Stoke and doesn't intend to play hoof ball that would be a good fit for him with it only being up the road and likely to have high expectation levels.

 

[Lord Knows]

Lambert loves Bright. If he stays at Stoke and doesn't intend to play hoof ball that would be a good fit for him with it only being up the road and likely to have high expectation levels.

Also likes Ronan so that could be another possibility.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think Johnny has mentioned it before but we're now probably at the point where we need to employ someone specifically (as Chelsea do for one, presumably the other big clubs do too) to sort out proper loan moves and to look properly at their progress while they're out.

Only having window to window loans doesn't help us as a club unfortunately. Means if some knobrot of a manager isn't using our player or is playing him out of position, we can't cancel the deal and send him somewhere else. He just has to sit there.

 

[The Bion]

Chelsea having partner/link clubs also helps them out massively in that regard. Wonder if we could potentially set something similar up with Rio Ave?

 

[darlowolf64]

Chelsea having partner/link clubs also helps them out massively in that regard. Wonder if we could potentially set something similar up with Rio Ave?

That might work better than Telford...

 

[PuntsWolf]

Most of the the players aren’t any good, that’s why they aren’t making impressions at shit teams. The first team players out on loan are just because no one will buy them, Prince, Gladon, Zyro, Marshall etc. Have no future here, we are just getting them out the building, hopefully with a wage contribution.

As for Ronan, he’s not going to make it here, but sending him out to KJ was poor. Bright won’t make it here. His chance against Wednesday sums him up, you not going to be able to coach him into hitting a barn door, or making the right decisions. May as well hold onto him for a few more years as he’s not costing us anything, but I won’t hold my breath expecting him to improve.