O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

[jd1981]

A narrow escape should be seen as a second chance not a time to bathe in the glory of some kind of fake success.
The exact mistake was made in 2011 when in hindsight Mick should’ve been moved on in that summer.
If GON gets us around 36-37 points and keeps us up he should still be moved on.

 

[Del Woppio]

The “told you so” stuff needs parking until we’re well clear of the bottom 3 not now.
Even if we come 16th or 17th and it’s goes to the wire it shouldn’t be vindicated either.
The club will stupidly get caught up in the euphoria of a narrow survival and not see that it’s flawed.
Ultimately staying up this season is merely just delaying the inevitable as we’ll offload Cunha and one more for a nice profit, then replace with a sub standard unproven option.

100%. It doesn't mean Fosun were correct, it just means they got away with it.

 

[Deano]

Of course there is tons of work to do still this season, but if we stay up Cunha will be gone in the Summer, I don't think there a way round that unless his form totally fell off a cliff, but I don't think it will because he is too good. Semedo is out of contract and I think if he was going to sign then it would have happened by now. The goalkeeper is up in the air because there's something not right about the Johnstone situation in terms of him not even making the bench (apart from once) and they have probably pissed Sa off with the situation of the Summer just gone.

Before you get into anything else that's 3 key positions again, with this turnover every Summer we will fall down the drain we are circling anyway sooner rather than late unless Fosun have a change of approach and start buying some genuine quality instead of using a percentage of the money generated on punts.

 

[Kenny]

I think what impresses me most with us as fans is that even after 2 wins on the bounce we still have the ability to find everything that is shit and dig for more things that will be shit as if to punish ourselves "we don't deserve nice things, it has to be a miserable existence"

We know full well that we have any player who is in great form we will end up selling*...just the way football works but faced with enjoying the moment we depress ourselves with an instant "he is awesome...won't be here next summer and his replacement will be shit...what's the point"



* exc Hwang of course

 

[Del Woppio]

In the immortal words of SEB* - Un pessimiste n’est jamais déçu

*Not that one, the other one.

 

[jd1981]

I think what impresses me most with us as fans is that even after 2 wins on the bounce we still have the ability to find everything that is shit and dig for more things that will be shit as if to punish ourselves "we don't deserve nice things, it has to be a miserable existence"

We know full well that we have any player who is in great form we will end up selling*...just the way football works but faced with enjoying the moment we depress ourselves with an instant "he is awesome...won't be here next summer and his replacement will be shit...what's the point"



* exc Hwang of course

The joy of victory last a lot less longer than the annoyance of defeat.
Winning probably wears off about 24 hours afterwards then the cold reality of the bigger picture kicks in.
Cunha will be gone regardless I think, if his form drops off a cliff we’ll almost certainly go down.
If he keeps this good form for us then bonus either way probably keeps us up and adds more to his value.

 

[ROVERT47]

Far from out of the wood’s yet, I’ve never really took to him but if we’re mid table come May, where we should be, then fair play to him.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Before you get into anything else that's 3 key positions again, with this turnover every Summer we will fall down the drain we are circling anyway sooner rather than late unless Fosun have a change of approach and start buying some genuine quality instead of using a percentage of the money generated on punts.

Woah! I’m worth way far more than that!

 

[From Distant Shores]

I think there is very little chance of Fosun further investing in Wolves in the next few years.

Fosun have 109 billion RMB (roughly 10 billion pounds) in the bank. They have taken customer deposits of 86 billion RMB. They have borrowed 222 billion RMB.

They simply don’t have the money to invest into Wolves. Even if they did, they probably wouldn’t be allowed to take money out of China for such an investment. Perhaps they could invest via some of their subsidiaries not based in China but even that is unlikely.

 

[Law's Bus]

I think what impresses me most with us as fans is that even after 2 wins on the bounce we still have the ability to find everything that is shit and dig for more things that will be shit as if to punish ourselves "we don't deserve nice things, it has to be a miserable existence"

To be fair, that's the Wulfrunian mindset generally, not just Wolves fans.

"Everything is the crappest ever, even when it blatantly and demonstrably isn't"

"Everything was amazing in the 1950s, the sun shone, and the birds sang, and everywhere was beautiful and clean. Then it went crap overnight."

Still, could be worse. We could be in Stoke.

 

[Tredman]

I think there is very little chance of Fosun further investing in Wolves in the next few years.

Fosun have 109 billion RMB (roughly 10 billion pounds) in the bank. They have taken customer deposits of 86 billion RMB. They have borrowed 222 billion RMB.

They simply don’t have the money to invest into Wolves. Even if they did, they probably wouldn’t be allowed to take money out of China for such an investment. Perhaps they could invest via some of their subsidiaries not based in China but even that is unlikely.

Those numbers mean nowt without revenue, assets or profit.

 

[AndyWolves]

I think there is very little chance of Fosun further investing in Wolves in the next few years.

Fosun have 109 billion RMB (roughly 10 billion pounds) in the bank. They have taken customer deposits of 86 billion RMB. They have borrowed 222 billion RMB.

They simply don’t have the money to invest into Wolves. Even if they did, they probably wouldn’t be allowed to take money out of China for such an investment. Perhaps they could invest via some of their subsidiaries not based in China but even that is unlikely.

Depends what they're doing with the 222b. I suspect they'll get a better ROI than it cost to borrow

But i don't think it'll mean we get any more money to spend though

 

[Del Woppio]

They're not putting money because they don't want to, not because they can't.

 

[prawnking]

I think what impresses me most with us as fans is that even after 2 wins on the bounce we still have the ability to find everything that is shit and dig for more things that will be shit as if to punish ourselves "we don't deserve nice things, it has to be a miserable existence"

We know full well that we have any player who is in great form we will end up selling*...just the way football works but faced with enjoying the moment we depress ourselves with an instant "he is awesome...won't be here next summer and his replacement will be shit...what's the point"



* exc Hwang of course

I don't believe in being miserable for the sake of it, but you'd have to have been not paying attention to your football club for the past 4 years or just be contrary to not recognise the patterns in play at the club.

It's then fair to presume they'll continue in a similar vein and repeat until there are signs that the club has changed their methods

 

[Deano]

To be a good competitive team you don't necessarily need loads of external investment as long as you spend the money the club generates in a sensible and sustainable way. There's been examples of teams doing just that and outperforming us for a decent number of seasons to illustrate it. What you can't do is just keep watering the squad down season on season and we're at a pretty precarious point of that at the moment..

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Fosun don’t have to put money in if they don’t want to. That’s up to them. Just don’t lie about it while increasing ticket prices to top 6 levels.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

As most of you know i can be a contrarey fucker at times, and nothing to do 0with cypro.
So whilst i am between stools over Gon, i cannot bring myself to add the losses at the end of last season to the current criticism, as we simply had no fit forwards for the last bunch of games, and the kids weren't ready or good enough.
That apart, and here comes the contrary mary bit, if i was hobbs, i would stride purposefully down to the touchline, take that fucking laptop and welly it into the crowd.
I think Gon is a good man manager, and when, as yesterday, he is in his box watching the game, and yelling instructionns at the players, we play better. Let the "add ons" look at the laptop and advise, but gon needs to have his head in the game, on the pitch, as it flows, not on a fucking laptop.
There you go, contrary mary rant over.

 

[sycophantia]

As most of you know i can be a contrarey fucker at times, and nothing to do 0with cypro.
So whilst i am between stools over Gon, i cannot bring myself to add the losses at the end of last season to the current criticism, as we simply had no fit forwards for the last bunch of games, and the kids weren't ready or good enough.
That apart, and here comes the contrary mary bit, if i was hobbs, i would stride purposefully down to the touchline, take that fucking laptop and welly it into the crowd.
I think Gon is a good man manager, and when, as yesterday, he is in his box watching the game, and yelling instructionns at the players, we play better. Let the "add ons" look at the laptop and advise, but gon needs to have his head in the game, on the pitch, as it flows, not on a fucking laptop.
There you go, contrary mary rant over.

There were obviously mitigating circumstances when we went on that bad run at the end of last season, but it's his job to deal with that. If you're struggling and have limited attacking options then you have to find a more pragmatic approach so you aren't just chaotic and shipping goals.
He probably just about gets a pass because of the injuries and his lack of experience but for us to carry on in the new season in the same manner is just not good enough.
Hopefully he's learned lessons and we can move forward (and upward). If we drop our standards from the last game he'll immediately come under pressure again and doubt he'll survive.

 

[1986]

There are only 4 points between the teams in 6th and 14th . Any kind of a half decent run over 6 matches between now and December will move one of those teams well up the table and clear safety .
However any one of those teams can be fragile as well . Fulham are one of them - last Saturday they looked anything but good .

It's way too soon to suggest that we might have steadied the ship , but if we have , then it's not all that difficult to climb out of trouble once you go on a half decent run .

 

[The Dude]

Impossible we played with a back 4 and 2 guys who can't play full back

The FB's played well this week. Plenty of examples this season of them not playing well though.

RAN can defend, often times (when he's drifted in to the centre circle) he doesn't though, leaving the left flank exposed. His lack of discipline has cost us many times.

But yeah, played really well v Fulham.