Man Utd 1-0 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[SSB]

https://x.com/the_forty_four/status/1699150289952018504?s=46&t=C4S93gpPJYxZrbkyZ1lCuw

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

There is plenty to be annoyed about, but the ref's first reaction:

"It's a collision we don't give those"

Is patronising and ridiculous from the off.

 

[Tony Towner]

Uses Onana's name and describes Kalajdzic as the Wolves player. There's your unconscious bias openly on display

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Uses Onana's name and describes Kalajdzic as the Wolves player. There's your unconscious bias openly on display

I expected it to be bad, it had to be to have not given that goal.

But I expected there to be some sort of logical reason, but there isn't at all, they just waffle along and then say no, they don't apply any logic or some law of the game none of us had considered, they look at that challenge 4 or 5 times and still come to conclusion it isn't a foul.

Corruption or cowardice I don't know which, probably both.

 

[Tony Towner]

I expected it to be bad, it had to be to have not given that goal.

But I expected there to be some sort of logical reason, but there isn't at all, they just waffle along and then say no, they don't apply any logic or some law of the game none of us had considered, they look at that challenge 4 or 5 times and still come to conclusion it isn't a foul.

Corruption or cowardice I don't know which, probably both.

The other thing it shows is the power of the senior ref over the junior one. Immediately Taylor tells him it's a collision we don't give those it's not going to be a penalty from that moment onwards. It's why VAR needs to be run independently of the PGMOL

 

[Alan]

Every foul is a collision you absolute cauliflower.

@ the ref, not you, Tone.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

cauliflower.

 

[Sniffer]

Yes, I was naive in thinking that they discuss the incident and come to a conclusion based on a reason of……,
Nothing about high bar
Nothing about clear and obvious
He almost instantly comes to the correct decision but then talks himself out of it.

 

[SSB]

So whilst the VAR is talking to the referee you hear I’m presuming the fourth official say “Once you’ve finished you need to come and caution Gary O’Neil” like that’s the most important matter in the proceedings.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He almost instantly comes to the correct decision but then talks himself out of it.

Exactly this.

 

[The Bear]

Uses Onana's name and describes Kalajdzic as the Wolves player. There's your unconscious bias openly on display

Having finally heard the audio, I think you're reaching here. He immediately name checks Dawson straight after. Purely just a case of not knowing who the player was.

Of course there's bias, that's not even in question. But in this case it's just unfamiliarity with a new player.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Having finally heard the audio, I think you're reaching here. He immediately name checks Dawson straight after. Purely just a case of not knowing who the player was.

Of course there's bias, that's not even in question. But in this case it's just unfamiliarity with a new player.

I think the point Tony was making was that they should know who the player was.

 

[Carrotdude]

Probably didn’t want to try and pronounce it

 

[The Bear]

I think the point Tony was making was that they should know who the player was.

Probably yeah, but he was a late sub who only had one PL appearance to his name before that.

I can sort of forgive it. I'd rather they get the decision right than his name put it that way.

 

[Tony Towner]

Probably yeah, but he was a late sub who only had one PL appearance to his name before that.

I can sort of forgive it. I'd rather they get the decision right than his name put it that way.

If he'd signed for Utd, he'd have known his name

 

[AndyWolves]

id love for VAR to somehow obfuscate players so that the VAR officials don't know the identities of the players / teams they're officiating.

 

[Lycan]

I'd expect the officials to have done their 'homework' on the teams involved. They should know their names.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Probably yeah, but he was a late sub who only had one PL appearance to his name before that.

I can sort of forgive it. I'd rather they get the decision right than his name put it that way.

Na, football is their job, they should know everything and everyone, especially as it could effect outcomes.

 

[AndyWolves]

Probably yeah, but he was a late sub who only had one PL appearance to his name before that.

I can sort of forgive it. I'd rather they get the decision right than his name put it that way.

I think kind of thing is where the unconscious bias comes from. If they don't even know the name of the player they're supposed to be making judgements on, i could easily see how they might favour a player they know and have had conversations with (and probably therefore know on a personal level).

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Oh look, Mark with laughing emoji rather than explaining why he disagrees.