Loan Watch 2022/2023

[Deutsch Wolf]

Looks pretty certain that Theo Corbeanu will have two relegations on his CV this season. The first half of the season at Blackpool who went down from the Championship and the second half at Bielefeld who lost the first leg of their relegation playoff 4-0 to Wiesbaden yesterday (he came on for the last 20 minutes or so when it was already 3-0).

 

[Alan]

Wouldn’t shock me if a Canadian club tries to send us some change for him (I think Vancouver it is who are dangerously close to a minimum number of Canadian internationals in the squad). I’d take it if offered.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, he's nowhere near good enough and never going to be. Take whatever we can.

 

[Keef]

Looks pretty certain that Theo Corbeanu will have two relegations on his CV this season. The first half of the season at Blackpool who went down from the Championship and the second half at Bielefeld who lost the first leg of their relegation playoff 4-0 to Wiesbaden yesterday (he came on for the last 20 minutes or so when it was already 3-0).

This can’t be right Bielefeld doesn’t exist, how can they have a football team?
Bielefeld conspiracy by Tom Scott on YouTube if you’re wondering what I’m on about.

 

[Jinky]

Yeah, he's nowhere near good enough and never going to be. Take whatever we can.

Couple of Oxford ST holders who work for a client were saying they’d been linked to him last week. We definitely need to cash in on players like him now - literally no point in keeping them on an endless loop of loans when we know he’ll never play for us.

 

[YoungWolf]

We won’t get much of a fee from Oxford. More likely low (or even no) fee with a decent sell on percentage

 

[Johnny75]

We won’t get much of a fee from Oxford. More likely low (or even no) fee with a decent sell on percentage

I think nearly all transfers at the lower levels will go that way in the next decade or so.

 

[Jinky]

We won’t get much of a fee from Oxford. More likely low (or even no) fee with a decent sell on percentage

Yeah sorry, when I say “cash in”, I mean “take whatever we can get”.

 

[big mean bunny]

Couple of Oxford ST holders who work for a client were saying they’d been linked to him last week. We definitely need to cash in on players like him now - literally no point in keeping them on an endless loop of loans when we know he’ll never play for us.

I think the loans are to just try and get them to the best player possible before selling though, not necessarily for improvement of our team with many of them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Generally doesn't work though. More often than not they end getting used in the wrong position, or they're in a poor team, or they're the sacrificial lamb when things go wrong as they're the easiest player to drop. It's a strategy that to me just kicks the can down the road more often than not.

Even when we've found good homes for them and it's worked out - as with Sanderson and Giles - we've ended up keeping them too long. Them staying out on loan in the same division doing the same thing has done nothing for anyone, just wasted a year. They both should have been sold last summer.

 

[Johnny75]

Generally doesn't work though. More often than not they end getting used in the wrong position, or they're in a poor team, or they're the sacrificial lamb when things go wrong as they're the easiest player to drop. It's a strategy that to me just kicks the can down the road more often than not.

Even when we've found good homes for them and it's worked out - as with Sanderson and Giles - we've ended up keeping them too long. Them staying out on loan in the same division doing the same thing has done nothing for anyone, just wasted a year. They both should have been sold last summer.

I think we also have a moral responsibility to get these lads the best possible career.

I think Matt Jackson is largely doing a good job. I agree that Giles and Sanderson should've been sold but I'm not sure the money is there at the lower levels.

Mir has turned a good profit as has MGW, I believe it's those types of deals lots of academies look for. Maybe 10% turn a profit and pay for the academy for a number of years.

 

[YoungWolf]

We will get more money for Giles this summer than we would have last year so not sure that’s right that’s he’s been kept too long.

Agree Johnny that Jackson does a largely good job. Any Prem club (or Cat 1 academy anyway) just seems to hoard players these days so always going to have some players that go by the wayside.

i think him and Hobbs both seem quite competent actually when before it was Seyi and Sellars!

 

[Tredman]

Knowing when to sell is a huge skill in any industry. Most people get it wrong, the best skill is not it to get it too wrong - that usually means selling slightly earlier than is ideal.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'm not sure we will get more for Giles, the common perception a year ago was that he was an assist machine at Championship level but you'd be very reluctant to play him as a LB in the Premier League and it's doubtful whether he has enough at that level to play further forward. We're in the exact same spot, aren't we?

 

[YoungWolf]

Hed just come off a really poor loan at Blackburn. I doubt we got any serious bids, whereas I’d be surprised if people aren’t after him this summer.

You’ve also got two teams who play with wing backs who have been promoted

 

[Alan]

Yerson got the full 90' and a clean sheet, continuing to be a real asset for MLS' best defense as Cincinnati beat Chicago 1-0.

Also, big shout outs to him for tearing into Matt Miazga at one point, who I'd bet feels like he should be the one barking things. Loved that as it means Yerson recognizes he's the better player out of the two of them (which he is).

I really, really like him.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hed just come off a really poor loan at Blackburn. I doubt we got any serious bids, whereas I’d be surprised if people aren’t after him this summer.

You’ve also got two teams who play with wing backs who have been promoted

Not sure the Blackburn bit would have mattered too much, clubs wouldn't look at it in such a narrow fashion (of course we should have just left him where he was, there was no need to mess with it).

 

[YoungWolf]

Glad he’s doing well. Got a lot of really good attributes, just needs the game time. I wouldn’t write him off playing here either.

 

[Alan]

IIRC our loan deal with FC Cincy doesn't include an option to buy (which surprised me at the time).

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

IIRC our loan deal with FC Cincy doesn't include an option to buy (which surprised me at the time).

We only do that when we've accepted they're very unlikely to make it here.

What we have said is that he can stay for the whole MLS season if they want him, no compulsion to send him back here for pre-season next month.