Live Match Discussion 2023/24

[Paddingtonwolf]

I don’t believe them

 

[Wilf Wolf]

If you really think the Glazers are giving 100% control for a 25% stake you are being a touch naive. That’s just puffery to keep the yellow and green scarf brigade quiet and then Mr Ineos becomes the patsy if it stays shit

The Glazers might well let Ratcliffe do what he wants with a budget so long as they get their cut from commercial income. It is quite clear money not success is their driving motivation so let JR throw money at the team and they’ll reap the commercial spin off.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think I'll go with what every single credible journalist has written.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Okay. How nice. Not quite sure why you need to shout and be condescending .

So is commercial income football operations? Course not so how does the money get split to give them a transfer budget?

 

[AndyWolves]

Ratcliffe has control of the football operations of the club after nearly 20 years of the Glazers. It's a reasonable comment

Yeah, I deleted my comment. The headline is very click baity though

 

[PuntsWolf]

I don’t think money is an issue to Man Utd. The Glazer have given them tons of money to spend on players and wages. They just keep spending it badly, which they will hope with this new structure they can avoid.

Owner financing only £30m a year anyway, so when they’ve just done a deal for £1.3billion I’m not sure he’s going to be fussed about chucking in a few million every year…

 

[Carrotdude]

Isn’t the issue the fans have that the glazers haven’t actually put any money in? All of the spend comes from the money the club makes anyway. The ground is falling apart as well and the club still has an insane amount of debt. Obviously they’ve still bought horrendously.

 

[Alan]

If they were still competing for trophies the noise would be nil or thereabouts.

Call it what it is, the United support got spoiled rotten by SAF's success and anything failing to replicate that is seen as a crime. After they lost to West Ham a story ran here called "No Goals, No Hope", which IMO is patently ridiculous; proper "no hope" would have seen them roll over at 2-0 down yesterday. There's still genuine quality in that team, however much we want to roast them for not living up to it.

Problem for them is that I don't know that SAF's management style would work on Millenial and younger players. You can't really be the hard-ass with the "blow drier" (or whatever SAF's halftime angry talks used to get called) and still get through to these kids.

That's not a judgement about that style of management, nor of the sensitivities (perceived or real) of the players, just a statement of the facts as I see them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Isn’t the issue the fans have that the glazers haven’t actually put any money in? All of the spend comes from the money the club makes anyway. The ground is falling apart as well and the club still has an insane amount of debt. Obviously they’ve still bought horrendously.

That's what's caused them to fall away from the likes of Real/Bayern/PSG across Europe, it's not what's caused them to be milling around 6th-9th domestically (and they're lucky to be that high this season) and not even being in a title race for a decade.

 

[Carrotdude]

Yeah fair point, I still can’t work out how they’ve spent the amount they have to end up with the team they’ve got

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I suppose for dysfunction on a smaller scale you could look at us routinely being amongst the highest spenders in the second tier right through the 90s (and often outspending Premier League clubs, which obviously would never happen now) and yet routinely sending out midfields that contained the likes of Rankine, Ferguson and Corica.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

I thought the United fans’ issue wasn’t that the Glazers don’t put money in but that over their tenure they’ve taken about £500m out.

 

[Jack Regan]

Horrible penalty decision against Everton. Shame...

 

[Tony Towner]

Horrible penalty decision against Everton. Shame...

Ref says no, 6 City players surround him so he changes his mind. Piss weak

 

[jd1981]

Assistant gave it

 

[The Bear]

Similar to the Gomes v Luton one.

 

[AndyWolves]

Spurs can't really have any complaints about being a goal down

 

[Lupo]

2-0 now

 

[Jack Regan]

For all the talk about how good a job Ange was doing there, they're now very much back to being Spurs.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

It's 2023 and we still haven't got any definitive camera for that area alone the goal line and beyond. It's so easy to rectify by putting two cameras in the outside of the posts to see along the line of the lines to the corner flag.