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Keir Starmer at it again..

Starmer will probably go but only because an increasing number of Labour MPs know he’s as popular as a Baggie in the South Bank and they’ll see the Mandelson business as a convenient opportunity to get rid of him without being considered back stabbers. The constant u-turns and his low standing with the electorate mean he’s got nothing left in the bank with a lot of Labour supporters.
 
As ridiculous as it sounds, even Boris had people who.liked and supported him right until the end ( even now). I don't think there is anyone who honestly likes or supports Starmer. He's shit, and he has zero redeeming qualities.
 
He just doesn't seem to DO anything as PM. He just IS.

Now I freely admit that is just my impression looking in from far away whereas I was rather more up front and personal with the times of awful PMs like May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak, but I am really struggling to think of any impact or thing of import that Starmer has delivered (whether I agree with it or not). Even Truss did something in her short time. It was an egregiously shit thing and nearly destroyed the economy, but it was a thing done.

My impression is that Starmer is trying to ride on the coat-tails of "anyone but the Conservatives" for his time in power, and that frankly just isn't good enough. He needs to be creating incentives for people to vote Labour at the next election.

A failure so far, and if the noise around this type of issue continues he won't be lasting the full term. A lot of people will be thinking they voted the Conservatives out to get rid of sleaze, backhanders, and all that shit, while getting a government that actually cared about them. Not seeing much evidence that such hopes and aspirations are being met.

The trouble is, the end result could well be Farage getting power. Now THAT will be a disaster.

So I think Labour need to move Starmer out PDQ. But who is the viable leadership candidate in their current crop? Rayner is compromised by her resignation issue and Bad Enoch and Farage would be all over that in the next election campaign.
 
The pisser is Labour are actually doing a ok job with running the country overall but the noise is all about how shit, how cowardly Starmer is.
Whether we like it or not politics in the 21st century is all about how the leader(s) come across on national and social media, Starmer is a pariah, not just among the right or the gammony masses but also in the eyes of most of the left or even centrist thinking voters. Its all grist to the Reform mill.
I'm at the lowest ebb of my political voting 49 years.
 
In another era I think he'd be seen as an OK PM with the general barometer being an improving economy, a grey man who Mike Yarwood would impersonate, he's not for this one though.

I was sceptical of him when elected, but what I didn't anticipate is how bad he is at the politics of it all. The u turns, the inability to get his message across, his judgement on Mandelson and the lack of vision on how to address the Reform rise. For the first time I'm not convinced he makes it to the next election, but I don't see his replacement.
 
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Tony Towner said:
In another era I think he'd be seen as an OK PM with the general barometer being an improving economy, a grey man who Mike Yarwood would impersonate, he's not for this one though.

I was sceptical of him when elected, but what I didn't anticipate is how bad he is at the politics of it all. The u turns, the inability to get his message across, his judgement on Mandelson and the lack of vision on how to address the Reform rise. For the first time I'm not convinced he makes it to the next election, but I don't see his replacement.
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Streeting is smug enough to push for it, and too many in the party detached enough to fail to realise simple and stupid beats smug at the polls. He could well be in post soon, on his way to a complete thumping from Joe Schmuck come election day. Wouldn’t the never ending appointment process take him beyond the May elections anyway, insulating him from reality until 2029?
 
Tony Towner said:
In another era I think he'd be seen as an OK PM with the general barometer being an improving economy, a grey man who Mike Yarwood would impersonate, he's not for this one though.

I was sceptical of him when elected, but what I didn't anticipate is how bad he is at the politics of it all. The u turns, the inability to get his message across, his judgement on Mandelson and the lack of vision on how to address the Reform rise. For the first time I'm not convinced he makes it to the next election, but I don't see his replacement.
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The u turns are the most infuriating part. Burn loads of political capital defending an idea and then, at the last minute, bin it. Thus pissing off literally everyone.

I do think hes a decent guy, but he's awful at politics. Like the direct opposite of Blair. Yet hated by the same people.
 
He's completely politically inept, his judgement is terrible. Middle East aside I think he's largely been OK at foreign policy, and there's some good domestic stuff but some of it has come a year too late (2 child cap) and it seems like he's had to be dragged kicking and screaming to some positions. I've not looked into it too deeply but there's talk of some fudgery when it comes to the NHS waiting lists dropping too.

I've never known a more unpopular politician, and that's frankly ridiculous. You see people saying he's the worst of all time, he's getting hos name sang at the darts, at the football, at gigs etc, it's just insane. He's not even the worst Prime Minister we've had in the last 5 years, never mind the WOAT.

That said, he gave a shit about the country, or the Labour Party, or basically anybody else other than Keir Starmer, he'd be resigning by the weekend. It would be small, but would make a difference to Labour's (and Reform's) results in May, and shift the narrative a bit. He's too toxic now to recover regardless of whatever minor successes get pointed out. It will be an absolute obliteration if he clings on to the keys to number ten.
 
In practical terms, he'd be resigning just because he was bad at the optics side - whoever comes in isnt going to really do anything different, they'll just have better polish.

Which is not nothing - optics is important in modern politics. Its just interesting to hear it coming from people who normally bemoan the 'all style no substance' way of doing politics.
 
He knew that Mandelson was still 'friends' with Epstein after he was convicted for sex trafficking, and the due diligence in establishing the strength of that connection was non-existent. End of the day everybody new Mandy was an absolute wrong 'un and corrupt as fuck, he'd been sacked for it on multiple occasions. It was a selection that was only ever going to end in trouble
 
I agree. But I also think that if a PM resigned every time they made a poor judgement call we'd be seeing moving vans in Downing street every month.
 
Del Woppio said:
Starmer made quite the show of campaigning as Labour being an end to corruption, self-service and lies, and returning to politics of trust, strength of character and transparency though. It's his own petard he's being hoisted by
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And he expels people on the left of the party for things like liking a tweet.
 
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