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Fulham 3-2 Wolves: Verdict Thread

Elephant Pyjamas said:
Yep.

Stems back to the Newcastle game in 2010, and then compounded by the Boro game when we went down to 9 men.
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We don't have a bad record when he's been the on the pitch ref. The Hennessey sending off at Arsenal is the one that sticks with me. I've seen it a couple of times now, anyone got a link to him being on record saying he dislikes us as opposed to just being shit?
 
Tony Towner said:
We don't have a bad record when he's been the on the pitch ref. The Hennessey sending off at Arsenal is the one that sticks with me. I've seen it a couple of times now, anyone got a link to him being on record saying he dislikes us as opposed to just being shit?
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There's no link in the press.

His dad was an external lighting engineer for Holophane, I'm an electrical design engineer, I've met him a few times, we had a good conversation about it all not long after the Boro game.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Yep.

Stems back to the Newcastle game in 2010, and then compounded by the Boro game when we went down to 9 men.
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Reminds me of this quote from a Boro forum I found at that time:

Boro fan on a forum: "Stuart Atwell though, what a signing. If we can keep him fit for the run-in, maybe even get him for every play off game, I think we'll probably go up."
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Deutsch Wolf said:
The get out there is look back to 2017/18 when we had no VAR and they were just as bloody awful, with no possible get out for us when they messed up.

I'd rather watch Steve Martin's entire back catalogue of films than have Steve Martin referee us again. And Steve Martin hasn't made a good film in about 40 years.
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They were rubbish without VAR I agree. Now they have an opportunity to undo their rubbishness with technology but they don't - in fact sometimes they use VAR to turn a decent decision in to a shit one!
 
The Dude said:
They were rubbish without VAR I agree. Now they have an opportunity to undo their rubbishness with technology but they don't - in fact sometimes they use VAR to turn a decent decision in to a shit one!
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Absolutely.

But it just shows the inept/corrupt argument has to be skewed towards the former. Like pick any number of our rubbish seasons over the last 30 years, were the players terrible or did they not try? When you look at what nearly all of them did after Wolves, the evidence says they were just rubbish and not fit for purpose.
 
The Dude said:
They were rubbish without VAR I agree. Now they have an opportunity to undo their rubbishness with technology but they don't - in fact sometimes they use VAR to turn a decent decision in to a shit one!
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It's almost like they shouldn't be placed on VAR duty and it should be a specialist.

Doing the same thing over and over again is yielding the same results, about time we got somebody different in and changed the system.
 
Tom Cairney spoke well on Sky tonight. Basically saying that he didn't feel he did anything wrong, which he didn't, but the referee should've gone to the monitor and had a look.

Players not happy with VAR as they don't know what's going on either.

This is unsustainable if everybody bar the refs think they have it right.
 
I’d be interested to know if there’s a stat to show where there’s big ‘subjective’ decisions, how many are deemed correct/incorrect etc, and for who.

I don’t watch every game in the league, however we seem to put ourselves in these situations more than other teams. That’s not saying the decision are incorrect and the officiating is inept, but if other teams don’t give the referees the chance to look at these sort of decisions then there might be something in that?
 
I think we find ourselves in this position a lot because:
  1. We're really not markedly more talented than most clubs in the league, so matches will turn on one or two moments
  2. Our squad and manager both still have big lessons to learn in managing game states, especially when we're under pressure
 
Carsy said:
I’d be interested to know if there’s a stat to show where there’s big ‘subjective’ decisions, how many are deemed correct/incorrect etc, and for who.

I don’t watch every game in the league, however we seem to put ourselves in these situations more than other teams. That’s not saying the decision are incorrect and the officiating is inept, but if other teams don’t give the referees the chance to look at these sort of decisions then there might be something in that?
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Taking a loose touch in the box then trying to clear it keeps biting us. They're all nonsense penalties of course but the situation shouldn't exist to start with.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Taking a loose touch in the box then trying to clear it keeps biting us. They're all nonsense penalties of course but the situation shouldn't exist to start with.
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Defenders just back out of most/all challenges in the box these days, and rightly so. It’s not worth the risk. The chances of teams scoring goals from the periphery of the area is pretty slim, Willian scoring a pen is probably around 95%.
 
Plus as you say, they aren’t pens. But Hwangs is just plain stupid dallying the box like that, Fabio pulls out of several challenges and then has a couple of nibbles, he heads it when it’s in the air the situation never happens. Semedo’s I can excuse as he wins the ball, but he didn’t win the ball clean, flailing legs like that off balance is risky. Gomes is just plain stupid too and as much as we won’t to moan about clear and obvious, we’d have been livid if we hadn’t have got that one down the other end.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
It's about time Sa saved one too.

(he had a good game on Monday)
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As soon as it was awarded I said it would be a goal as he never saves them, thing he'd be better the amount of practice he gets.

Think he saved one once a year or 2 back?
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Absolutely.

But it just shows the inept/corrupt argument has to be skewed towards the former. Like pick any number of our rubbish seasons over the last 30 years, were the players terrible or did they not try? When you look at what nearly all of them did after Wolves, the evidence says they were just rubbish and not fit for purpose.
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But the VAR decisions beggar belief.

Onana foul on SASA ignored v Man U.

Guidelines for ricocheted handball ignored v Luton.

Dives rewarded v Newcastle, Sheff U and now Fulham.

They reward cheating when it happens v Wolves it would seem and ignore blatant fouls against Wolves.

That's some level of ineptitude which doesn't seem likely to me. The officials surely can't be that bad.
 
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