Farage Ltd and Similar Watch

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Oh and if paying a PR firm to discredit journalists isn't corrupt, what is?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I think you need to look up the definition of corruption

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Semantic deflection isn’t an argument. Whether you label it “corrupt” or “strategic communications”, paying to discredit journalists instead of answering scrutiny isn’t a hallmark of transparent politics.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Corruption in politics has to have an element of personal gain from the abuse of power, usually financial. IE - lining your own pockets.

So I take your post as an admission that neither example you gave was corrupt then.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So unless someone literally pockets cash, nothing counts? That’s a pretty limited view of political corruption.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It's the fucking definition. Abuse of power for personal gain. Doesn't have to be financial, of course, but usually is.

Is the appointment of Mandelson a) politically stupid and b) wilfully blind to the facts about the man that were in the public domain at the time? Yes, of course, on both counts. But unless you can show me some element of Starmer personally gaining from it, then it isn't corrupt.

Equally, the paying of the PR firm to discredit a journalist. Is it trying to crush a counter narrative by underhand means? Is it distasteful and an action not becoming of what I want to see in a government? Yes. But if there is no financial or other personal gain, it isn't corruption.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

“Personal gain” isn’t limited to money. Maintaining power, protecting your position, and neutralising scrutiny are gains.

If abuse of power is used to secure those, that is corruption.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Fine. I really can't be arsed. Think what you like. It isn't corrupt.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Labour would prefer a Reform win to a Green one. The idea that they would ever be willing to work with the Greens is comical.

 

[visage]

Its more that any price the Greens would demand would be too high, politically speaking.

 

[leedswolf]

Revealed: Reform UK Matt Goodwin’s Academic Ties to Rebranded Nazi Eugenics Front

Reform’s Gorton and Denton candidate, who has said that genetics will expose the “inherent differences between groups” has links to multiple organisations tied to discredited racist pseudoscience

www.bylinesupplement.com

 

[jlo]

Its more that any price the Greens would demand would be too high, politically speaking.

On a national level, I suspect that's only proportional representation.

Ironically the only party where support for PR has fallen is in Reform, and even then all parties bar the Tories support PR. Can't see why Labour would therefore find it so hard to agree to those terms, if they have the interests of the country at heart.

Support for proportional representation has fallen among Reform UK voters

31% of Reform UK voters now back retaining first past the post, up 14 points since January last year

yougov.com

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Did you like the result as much, Zia?

 

[Kenny]

Fuck off

 

[Templeton Peck]

Just totally shut them down with this on GMTV. There were 32 cases, sit down.

 

[Kenny]

Rolling out the Trump rule book. - lost, blame it on cheating. Whole party was at it within seconds of the result coming out.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

What works in the states makes Farage look a cunt to a very large proportion of the UK electorate.

Hope you enjoyed the high water mark Nigel. It's down from here.