Dean Watch.

[YoungWolf]

Don't think Cox would cut it in the Championship. Chips in with the odd good goal but does little else all game whenever I've seen him

 

[Alan]

If Dean goes on to become a good manager (which I think he may do, there were flashes of really good stuff under him here [against Leicester and BCity, specifically] and he's obviously doing something right at Crawley for the moment) I don't think that changes the fact that, at the time, he was absolutely horrendous for 99% of his spell here, absolutely needed to be fired, and was the wrong choice to replace Ståle from the get-go.

As with all things, people grow and change and become better (or worse) at anything they may occupy their time with. I dread to think what some Wolves supporters may think a few years from now if Dean has notably improved. Will we see a faction of the support that will say again that we should never have sacked him? Perhaps.

Anyway, just rambling.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He won't become a good manager.

1) Pointing to two games out of 20 with us is not much of a base to be working from. We lost against Leicester in any case and were terrible for the first half, should have been 3-0 down and out of the game. We did improve in the second half and should have nicked something; for the next game he promptly undid all the tactical changes that led to said temporary improvement. Not sure if you mean Birmingham or Bristol City; the former we nearly contrived to lose from 3-0 up (should have lost really, they hit the woodwork four times) and the latter we were absolutely awful despite winning, the first 70 minutes of that game is a serious contender for the worst spectacle I've ever seen at Molineux in 27 years of attendance.

2) He is demonstrably a fucking idiot, you only have to listen to him speak.

3) He is 51 in a couple of months. For reference Mick took over Wolves when he was 47, at which point he'd already taken Ireland to a World Cup and won the Championship with Sunderland.

4) He plays awful football.

5) His record above League One speaks for itself.

If he ends up finding a niche at no budget clubs like Crawley and doing firefighting missions in the bottom two tiers then good for him. He will always be a terrible manager though, an ultra low rent Micky Adams with a tenth of the CV. No Wolves fans will ever wonder whether we should have sacked him or not as quite obviously we were right to and his replacement went on to win 50 games quicker than anyone else in the entire 138 year history of the club.

 

[Alan]

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No one can say that you half-ass anything, Dan, I'll give you that.

 

[lemonjelly]

If Dean goes on to become a good manager (which I think he may do, there were flashes of really good stuff under him here [against Leicester and BCity, specifically] and he's obviously doing something right at Crawley for the moment) I don't think that changes the fact that, at the time, he was absolutely horrendous for 99% of his spell here, absolutely needed to be fired, and was the wrong choice to replace Ståle from the get-go.

As with all things, people grow and change and become better (or worse) at anything they may occupy their time with. I dread to think what some Wolves supporters may think a few years from now if Dean has notably improved. Will we see a faction of the support that will say again that we should never have sacked him? Perhaps.

Anyway, just rambling.

This is potentially James territory for the worst type of post to exist on this forum ever.
Nothing that Saunders did whilst with us was good. Tactically inept in every sense. In addition to that, his people management skills are shocking (his treatment of Batth/Johnson). Setting up for draws/to avoid conceding in games we had to win.

In addition, his personal character is shocking. He's a thug (not quite paul robinson standards, but not far off) and when a player, deliberately broke bones, and arguably ended a career or 2.

Being morally dubious means he really shouldn't be manager of a football club.

I'd venture that any "success" he gets is more likely to be in spite of his efforts, not because of them. Doncaster were play off hopefuls when he left, and became automatic promotion material without him being there!

 

[Alan]

Excuse me for giving voice to possibilities. Ffs.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

In fairness Alan this is a rare occasion where someone has overestimated how stupid and reactionary our fans can be. Even the most moronic wouldn't do a volte face on Saunders. He was so bad as to defy comprehension. I've never felt compelled to withdraw my attendance before and it would take a very odd set of circumstances to make me do so again. That is how bad he was, and I have seen plenty of jokeshop managers down here.

 

[Alan]

I don't put anything past sports fans, in honesty. Remember there were people (not just Frank, who gives any manager full confidence) who thought Dean deserved a shot with us in League One, to "build the squad in his vision" (paraphrasing but the point is made).

I dunno, I don't see it as all that outlandish, certainly not enough to be called one of the worst posts on the forum.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I've you'd watched a game managed by him or listened to im him speak daily in press conferences and interviews you'll have known he was a complete tool

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I honestly don't know anyone who wanted Saunders retained and didn't read anything at the time which asked for anything less than his sacking. It really was as good as unanimous.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Were there? Really? We were all having a party the moment the clueless numpty got told to fuck off.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think Frank strayed to neutrality as to whether he should have been sacked.....that speaks volumes!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The closest you'd get to support is the E&S (and Swain in particular) backing him until the end with a 'no-one could do any better' rhetoric and then putting the boot in as soon as he was sacked, the cowardly shitheels.

 

[Alan]

Were there? Really? We were all having a party the moment the clueless numpty got told to $#@! off.

There were none on the forum that I remember but I distinctly recall one of those E&S videos around the time and people saying Dean deserved more time.

Of course, I can't find that video now...

 

[Freddeno]

Deano is about as worse at it gets..i remember his deluded post match comments..the "i will teach the strikers to score" the excuses after each game we lost, "we should have won"..actually i bought some decent champagne the day he left

 

[Johnny75]

I honestly don't know anyone who wanted Saunders retained and didn't read anything at the time which asked for anything less than his sacking. It really was as good as unanimous.

I know 2 season ticket holders who wanted him to stay, citing Solbakken as the reason the team was relegated. Of course the club can do no wrong in their eyes.

They are of course simple idiots and I never get tired of telling them they wanted Saunders to stay.

 

[Tony Towner]

Perfect storm of a season; 2 managers that for varying reasons were out of their depth, one the players wouldn't play for because of his lack of pragmatism and the other because he was a simpleton. An owner appointing managers because he listened to what his heroes told him and a Chief Exec who should have resigned because his job had been made untenable because of the above......happy days.

 

[Lupo]

Definitely the worst manager we've had in my time and probably ever. The one upside to relegation was there were no foolish ideas of keeping him on. He should never have been appointed in the first place. Ludicrous

 

[Tony Towner]

We had this debate at the time, but I dislike Hoddle and Docherty much more. At least Saunders cared, yes he was an imbecile and ridiculously out of his depth, but it did seem to bother him, neither of the other two gave a monkey's

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No, I'd take Hoddle over Saunders. Make no mistake, I think Hoddle is an utter prick and I hate his football. But he never even threatened to get us relegated. Saunders is an utter cunt and got us relegated with even worse football than Hoddle's. It's a pretty easy equation. I don't think Saunders cared anyway, he is a horrible cunt.

Docherty is before my time.