Coronavirus

[Johnny75]

This is the mistake that you and Johnny make every time... Corrupt dictatorship is not real socialism and never will be.
There has never been true Communism as it was envisaged because there will always be someone who want s to be the top dog. That's humanity for you

Edit; and Wolfman too from his last comment...

It's always people that will fuck it up.

Socialism can never work for that reason. And why the mistake is never made

 

[darlowolf64]

Ahh that old chestnut, if only it was done properly.

I haven't said that... I have said it will NEVER be done right because of human nature... Someone ALWAYS wants to dictate how it is done in any form of government and so communism is pie-in-the-sky and will remain so

 

[WolfMan]

I haven't said that... I have said it will NEVER be done right because of human nature... Someone ALWAYS wants to dictate how it is done in any form of government and so communism is pie-in-the-sky and will remain so

Fair enough, I misunderstood your point. I agree with you.

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm not sure if this is a doom mongerer or not but if this is true, we'll have restrictions soon enough.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467944178713862146

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

https://www.cityam.com/covid-death-rate-not-rising-swap-travel-restrictions-and-mass-hysteria-for-cautious-optimism-as-omicron-mutation-is-super-mild-variant-who-and-coronavirus-experts-say/

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm not sure if this is a doom mongerer or not but if this is true, we'll have restrictions soon enough.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467944178713862146

If the symptoms of Omicron are mild, and don't even lead to hospitalisation, then surely we should let it run wild and become the dominant variant? As per the article i posted above.

Restrictions for something that gives you little more than a headache is lunacy.

 

[Tredman]

Omicron spreads so quickly that hospitalisations are even more of a lagging indictor to cases than normal.

 

[sycophantia]

You do know the difference between 'volunteer' and 'forced' don't you?

I do indeed, no-one is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, only that unvaccinated people might not be welcome to take part in all areas of society...that's a choice.
Just seems odd to me that some people don't like that choice but are happy to choose to open their lives to anyone trying to sell them stuff or lead them down a certain line of thought

 

[Tredman]

Relevant thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467270489638899713

 

[sycophantia]

If the symptoms of Omicron are mild, and don't even lead to hospitalisation, then surely we should let it run wild and become the dominant variant? As per the article i posted above.

Restrictions for something that gives you little more than a headache is lunacy.

That would be the ideal scenario, but no-one yet knows how dangerous omicron is, it appears to be spreading so fast thatscience can't keep up.

 

[Johnny75]

I do indeed, no-one is forcing anyone to have a vaccine, only that unvaccinated people might not be welcome to take part in all areas of society...that's a choice.
Just seems odd to me that some people don't like that choice but are happy to choose to open their lives to anyone trying to sell them stuff or lead them down a certain line of thought

This isn't about vaccines but the vaccine passports.

Plenty of vaccinated folks don't want the papers/ passports bought in because of the reasons that have been already mentioned in this thread.

 

[sycophantia]

This isn't about vaccines but the vaccine passports.

Well yes, but it's also about conspiracy theories that don't make sense. Don't get me wrong I hate the idea of control but this pandemic is different to anything we've experienced in living memory. I'm not sure what the alternative is till we get to stage where we just live with it as we do with previous virus.

 

[Papper]

Are you seriously comparing the persecution of the Jews in Germany and greater Europe to asking people to get a bloody vaccination to slow down the spread of a global pandemic?

Seriously mate, I'm done reading your mock Orwellian claptrap

No I wasn't. My point was centred on those who were submissive, stood and watched while a quite transparent totalitarian nightmare emerged. I am pro vaccination for only the vulnerable without restrictions placed on others. I thought I had made that quite clear.

 

[AndyWolves]

If the symptoms of Omicron are mild, and don't even lead to hospitalisation, then surely we should let it run wild and become the dominant variant? As per the article i posted above.

Restrictions for something that gives you little more than a headache is lunacy.

Absolutely, I can't see no one needing hospitalisation thought.

Omicron seems to be way more transmissible so even if less people required hospitalisation, if more people are catching it the load on the nhs increases.

Usual winter flu + delta + Omicron needs to be watched carefully

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

That would be the ideal scenario, but no-one yet knows how dangerous omicron is, it appears to be spreading so fast thatscience can't keep up.

When was the first case of Omicron found? About 2 weeks ago now was it?

 

[Sniffer]

No I wasn't. My point was centred on those who were submissive, stood and watched while a quite transparent totalitarian nightmare emerged. I am pro vaccination for only the vulnerable without restrictions placed on others. I thought I had made that quite clear.

If you only protect the vulnerable, hospitals fill up with the so called non vulnerable and the rest of the population with other non covid issues suffer.

 

[Papper]

To not be "oppressed by the shadowy cabal that is running the World that is wanting to inject us with god knows what!"

EDIT: Oh, and Prince Charles who is somehow leading the free world's fall into oppression by the elite

I do not see a conspiracy I see governments and centralised power (such as the EU) almost scripted and reading from a global narrative. The coercion to mass vaccination when only a small section of society need it OR you lose your job and cease to be a social being is nothing short of tyranny. The cancellation of those who question is tyrannical. The cancellation of right to protest is tyrannical. I could go on and on.

 

[AndyWolves]

 

[Papper]

If you only protect the vulnerable, hospitals fill up with the so called non vulnerable and the rest of the population with other non covid issues suffer.

Well I would rather pay increased taxes to meet the need than be subjected to lockdowns, masks and seeing a section of society demonised. Somebody mentioned before how this could lead to the demonization of people who are overweight, alcoholic, drug dependant etc. Fine lines ..

 

[Papper]

You don't want vaccines, you don't want lockdowns, what do you want?

I want vaccines for the vulnerable given the effect (ie reduction in fatalities). Yes I want tyrannical restrictions removed.