Coronavirus

[machin05]

I would imagine so yes. All the kids are still doing LFTs for school for a start.

Not all. Not by a long way

 

[Tony Towner]

Loads of kids weren't ever doing LFTs. In my sons secondary school experience which I'm not saying was representative, but wouldn't surprise me if it were only around 50% even took them home. Even being tested pre term was voluntary

 

[MARKakaJIM]

From this I'm getting that you believe we should have some measures in place to reduce transmission literally forever?

Take what you want from it, that's not what I said.

 

[AndyWolves]

If Covid kills you today, it's going to kill you in 3 months too.

We aren't going to get to zero Covid, and everyone is going to be exposed to Covid at some point.

 

[WolfMan]

Take what you want from it, that's not what I said.

Was really though wasn't it - if as you say vaccines aren't 100% effective and not everyone can use them anyway, what were you saying?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Data doesn’t all add to me. We have 1.4m active cases but only 823 critically ill. Whereas France for example have 1k critically ill, far less recent deaths and far less cases.

My only conclusion there is the way the data is being recorded isn’t the same and therefore useless.

 

[lemonjelly]

If Covid kills you today, it's going to kill you in 3 months too.

We aren't going to get to zero Covid, and everyone is going to be exposed to Covid at some point.

maybe people have things they'd like to do in the next 3 months, and people they'd like to see? I mean, everyone is going to die of something at some point, are you suggesting we all bring the inevitable forward anyway, regardless?

no-one is making the case for zero covid, they're suggesting potentially safer ways of acting.

 

[AndyWolves]

maybe people have things they'd like to do in the next 3 months, and people they'd like to see? I mean, everyone is going to die of something at some point, are you suggesting we all bring the inevitable forward anyway, regardless?

no-one is making the case for zero covid, they're suggesting potentially safer ways of acting.

No, I'm not proposing mass genocide but I understand what you're saying that any life is valuable.

I think we have to be realistic around what Covid is and how it's going to spread. We could live with perpetual restrictions to ensure that vulnerable people don't get infected right away. I do think it is a case of when and not if though.

We have to decide if delaying the inevitable is something we want to do.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Was really though wasn't it - if as you say vaccines aren't 100% effective and not everyone can use them anyway, what were you saying?

So we're already at peak understanding of something that hasn't even been in existence for two years? The science can progress beyond it's current level? This is already the covid endgame?

 

[lemonjelly]

I think we have to be realistic around what Covid is and how it's going to spread.

and then if we can find reasonable ways to mitigate the spread, eg masks, implement such advice and manage the risk.

We could live with perpetual restrictions to ensure that vulnerable people don't get infected right away.

perpetual restrictions does not mean lockdown though. there are grades of different measures we can implement, depending on the season, case levels etc.

We have to decide if delaying the inevitable is something we want to do.

pretty sure everyone would like to delay their personal inevitable situation. all the chatter is taking risks with the lives/time available to others.

 

[lemonjelly]

One other point. there remain around 5 million unvaccinated. fail to address that, hospitals could easily become overwhelmed.

 

[AndyWolves]

I just think we'd be delaying deaths rather than saving lives.

 

[WolfMan]

So we're already at peak understanding of something that hasn't even been in existence for two years? The science can progress beyond it's current level? This is already the covid endgame?

That's not what I said

 

[Sniffer]

I just think we'd be delaying deaths rather than saving lives.

I take it you don’t have someone close in the vulnerable category?

 

[AndyWolves]

I take it you don’t have someone close in the vulnerable category?

Both parents for what it's worth. They've missed out on a big chunk of their grandchildren growing up and don't want to miss anymore.

 

[Sniffer]

Nobody is calling for lockdowns, just a degree of caution that most medical professionals, scientists and the rest of world seem to be advocating.
I don’t understand the “they are going to die anyway “ comments if your own parents are vulnerable.

 

[AndyWolves]

I guess it's an acceptance of the inevitability of the situation we are in.

I'll happily agree with restrictions if hospitals get overloaded but otherwise I just don't see the point.

3, maybe 6 months down the line the result will be the same.

 

[Alan]

Sounds dangerously close to "well, I'll die someday anyway, so fuck it, I'll just do whatever the hell I want".

Don't let COVID be the thing that excuses you from the societal contract. We owe a certain amount of caution to our neighbors.

 

[AndyWolves]

Sounds dangerously close to "well, I'll die someday anyway, so fuck it, I'll just do whatever the hell I want".

Don't let COVID be the thing that excuses you from the societal contract. We owe a certain amount of caution to our neighbors.

Nowhere near Alan, I'll abide by any restrictions put in place. Whether I agree with them or not is another matter.

I was fully on board with everything we were doing until we got to the point where it turned out vaccinations don't stop infection or transmission. Once that fact became known it is then just a matter of time before everyone is exposed to Covid.

I'm allowed to have a differing view

 

[lemonjelly]

but vaccinations do have a positive impact on transmission.

again, no-one is saying lockdown. but it feels a number of people would be happy with more stringent guidance on safety in place. currently, we don't really have anything in place to minimise the spread, aside from what was a world beating vax programme, which is now a bog standard vax prog, surpassed by many other countries.
and the vaccine effectiveness wanes over time, so betting purely on a vax programme is ultimately going to lose. combined with millions not being vaccinated, for whatever reason, means we are risking overwhelming the nhs, and therefore the lockdown you, and so many others wish to avoid.