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Climate Change Debate

Johnny75 said:
To hide taxation behind a genuine scientific theory. They do it constantly why should climate change be any different.
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How is it hidden then?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be obtuse, I just want to understand the point. Do you mean it is used to justify high taxes on fossil fuels?
 
Absolutely justified to put high taxes on ALL fuels. There is an argument that the taxation on car emissions and the fleets of car manufacturers is not put into the economy for the benefit of greener fuels/ energy production as it should be if we cared about climate change. Instead successive governments use it as a direct taxation, in theory to get people to use less fuel, but this is of course futile as the public transport systems are inadequate for the economy to flourish and we are already in a period of little growth. Couple this with a direct correlation with employment and the automotive industry it is a perpetual circle. Hence a double taxation where the proceeds do not benefit the environment to the extent it should do. I would say that is taxation hiding behind the climate change agenda.

Info:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Environmental_taxes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mits-families-pay-meet-emissions-targets.html

Quite how any government can tax a car company on its fleet that isn't moving and claim it is to do with emissions is beyond my reasoning.
 
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Ive long held the beleif that road tax should be abolished and fuel tax raised to compensate - that way the more you drive, the more you pay. The less fuel efficient your car, the more you pay. The bigger your engine, the more you pay. Etc.
 
Monckton may not be everyone's cup of tea but...
Check the comments.
Vis, thanks for the spacecraft link. I will however pick a bone on driver taxation.
While I think it should be simplified the current system does not take into account personal necessary commuting distances for the purposes of work. This is discriminatory in my opinion.
For 33 years to avoid direct taxation on income government has endevoured to load indirect taxation which is discriminatory especially for the poorer. The entire tax system needs a overhaul.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/06/monckton-gets-evicted-fro0m-doha-conference/#more-75393

Almost forgot, the government has encouraged more fuel efficient vehicles, nothing wrong with that, however it does want to vacuum up the lost revenue from people it encourages to stop smoking (I haven't for 6 years btw), drinking and car use. Up your arse economics IMO.

Update from Monckton himself.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/07/monckton-on-his-smashing-u-n-wall-of-silence-on-lack-of-warming-and-censure/#more-75426
 
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tredman said:
They use the phrase LOL, therefore not only are they crackpots they are also wankers.

^^^^^^ as much logic in my statement above as half of the articles on that bizarre website.
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Care to refute any of the Watts articles? Like it or not the debate is alive and well, even Cameron has taken up the shale gas cause.
Go read and contribute if you are so sure of your position. I'm no crackpot, I'm interested in real world physical arguements rather than ad hominum attacks. Why are you so certain of 'the science is settled'? Never in the history of man has that been the case and it can easily shown that it isn't now.
There is nothing new about religious and political manipulation of science. Just gaze back a century or so. Eisenhower spotted it.
 
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lemonjelly said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21163386

If climate change is made up, why are glaciers melting?
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Cus they do and they come back again. Just travel to Snowdonia for the evidence.
Glaciation is dynamic, change is part of the mechanism. Schoolboy geography.
A lot of current perception is because of greater coverage of events and inflation of real stories by journalists, sound familiar?
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Cus they do and they come back again. Just travel to Snowdonia for the evidence.
Glaciation is dynamic, change is part of the mechanism. Schoolboy geography.
A lot of current perception is because of greater coverage of events and inflation of real stories by journalists, sound familiar?
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Little insulting?

Something that takes centuries to happen is dynamic?
 
lemonjelly said:
Little insulting?

Something that takes centuries to happen is dynamic?
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Reply with something that shows a big delta related to recent history and carbon dioxide.
A random reply asserting something as fact without backup is sub-schoolboy.
No offence intended, just some rational arguement.
It is telling that the major climate indices are showing no warming over timescales that they said would establish the theory. The idea that homo sapiens can significantly modulate climate in a controlled way is absurd.
Unilateral action is even dafter.
 
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