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Climate Change Debate

Anthony Watts has published his own paper at Watts up with that.
There is plenty of opportunity there to criticise folks. The whole sham is politics and no science.
 
http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFL6E8IU7GV20120730

not unexpected given recent press releases on the likely cost of nuclear. bizarre to me no one else has sought to comment on it. makes you wonder what the future energy mix will be and there still isn't much going into construction at the moment.

great to see EDF, the 83% French state owned utility, supplying the energy to the London Olympic games too.
 
nimrod said:
http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFL6E8IU7GV20120730

not unexpected given recent press releases on the likely cost of nuclear. bizarre to me no one else has sought to comment on it. makes you wonder what the future energy mix will be and there still isn't much going into construction at the moment.

great to see EDF, the 83% French state owned utility, supplying the energy to the London Olympic games too.
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The US experience suggests shale gas is green leading to lower carbon dioxide emissions. How dim are we this side of the pond? Nukes should be in the mix here given little opportunity for hydro.
 
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HAzelGroveWolf said:
The US experience suggests shale gas is green leading to lower carbon dioxide emissions. How dim are we this side of the pond? Nukes should be in the mix here given little opportunity for hydro.
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nuclear is in included in decc's base case technology mix and always has been although they run a low case nuclear scenario as well. what price are you willing to pay for new build nuclear per mwh though?
 
nimrod said:
nuclear is in included in decc's base case technology mix and always has been although they run a low case nuclear scenario as well. what price are you willing to pay for new build nuclear per mwh though?
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I wouldn't spend a penny on wind, I know that much. I'm happy to spend money on a mix that can be controlled. People seem to forget that electricity generation is a small part of the UK energy requirement. There is also a long way to go on internal combustion engine efficiency, part of the reason for escalating fuel duty, the government needs to maintain revenue after all. Dumb arse thinking.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I wouldn't spend a penny on wind, I know that much. I'm happy to spend money on a mix that can be controlled. People seem to forget that electricity generation is a small part of the UK energy requirement. There is also a long way to go on internal combustion engine efficiency, part of the reason for escalating fuel duty, the government needs to maintain revenue after all. Dumb arse thinking.
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You've stated many times what you wouldn't spend it on so no need to redo that - I'm sure you recall I stated a long long while back that wind isn't an answer to the UK's forthcoming energy gap.

what i asked was what price are you willing to pay for new build nuclear per mwh?
 
To answer your question would require some research, 25 years of nuclear 'neglect' not being helpful. A least nuclear bulk generation using existing sites would not require extensive new lossy transmission infrastructure beyond proportionate load requirements. I will look at this over the weekend, I need to look up some IET stuff that might not be accessible to non-members and I would want to be correctly informed.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
To answer your question would require some research, 25 years of nuclear 'neglect' not being helpful. A least nuclear bulk generation using existing sites would not require extensive new lossy transmission infrastructure beyond proportionate load requirements. I will look at this over the weekend, I need to look up some IET stuff that might not be accessible to non-members and I would want to be correctly informed.
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I think you misunderstand the question. I haven't asked you to work out the cost of new facilities per mwh, I've asked you what price per mwh you're willing to pay.
 
nimrod said:
I think you misunderstand the question. I haven't asked you to work out the cost of new facilities per mwh, I've asked you what price per mwh you're willing to pay.
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I didn't misunderstand the two are related. I wished to be realistic.
 
I am now going to maybe get myself banned.

I consider myself quite reasonable and intelligent. I have read this thread from the start and I have discussed it with friends.

They all agree that HAzelGroveWolf is the most annoying, big-headed, pretentious and...well lets not hold back.....what a cunt.

I'm sure we all agree. Thank you and goodnight!
 
So you can't, essentially,

Odd for someone who's so insistent on accuracy.

Mind you, your definition of "knackered" is a bit off. I call it "pissed".
 
Hereford Wolf said:
I am now going to maybe get myself banned.

I consider myself quite reasonable and intelligent. I have read this thread from the start and I have discussed it with friends.

They all agree that HAzelGroveWolf is the most annoying, big-headed, pretentious and...well lets not hold back.....what a cunt.

I'm sure we all agree. Thank you and goodnight!
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Post what you like. Why do feel that it is appropriate to challenge genuine well considered doubts of the government meme? If you have a point to make that involves rational thought I'm all eyes.
Please make your points and then we can have a proper debate designed just for that purpose.
I will be assertive out of necessity rather than to make issues personal.
I have tried to maintain a civilised stance all along, at the same time I've asserted my opinion, which is there to be challenged.
HW I doubt you read all the links that were provided.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
So you can't, essentially,

Odd for someone who's so insistent on accuracy.

Mind you, your definition of "knackered" is a bit off. I call it "pissed".
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Bullshit data wouldn't help anyone. I suggest you withdraw your last assertion, you cannot possibly make that statement.
As I said I will post some stuff later this weekend.
 
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Hereford Wolf said:
Take a guess.......
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I've done nothing but challenge commonly held but uninformed views. I've respected others views without resort to unsubstantiated personal accusations that are well wide of the stated moderation rules of this website. Be clear that I do not seek sanctions on any poster, wild personal attacks speak for themselves.
 
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I think you misunderstand the question. I haven't asked you to work out the cost of new facilities per mwh, I've asked you what price per mwh you're willing to pay.
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I can't see anything to suggest the consumer price should be much more than £80-100/MWh+supplier margin. Take out the green fudge factors a cursory view of the following document should illustrate my point.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/economy/electricitycosts2012.pdf

The document is well sourced and referenced and broadly representative of my observations. Remember electricity is a third of our energy consumption. It seems daft to make the widespread adoption of electric/hybrid vehicles when the source to load energy efficiency is derisible. They are only adopted because of the tax regime and a few daft enough to not appreciate the total lifetime cost. It would be better to improve, there is plenty of scope to do so, internal combustion engine efficiency don't you think?
I've said before it is far easier to tackle the energy consumers, I spend a lot of time on this myself because the market requires a low power solution, no fans or less passive heat dissipation for example.
 
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