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A jolly good read?

Late to the thread, and I'll admit that I haven't read through it, so forgive me if I duplicate anything.

The Madman's Tale - John Katzenbach
Portrait of a Serial Killer - Patricia Cornwell (Must for Jack the Ripper enthusiasts)
Crippen - John Boyne
Vampire World Trilogy - Brian Lumley (fucking amazing)
American Psycho - Brett Easton Ellis
The Historian - Elizabeth Kostova

My favourite Stephen King novels are; Christine, It, The Shining, Salem's Lot.

Cornwells book is, I'm afraid, nowhere near as authoritative as it originally claims, specifically her arguement regarding DNA evidence. Fair play to cornwell for putting her money where her mouth is (she funded all the research etc herself however it does not even come close to confirming Sickert as the ripper. Indeed, Cornwell has herself acknowledged much of this, & has stated she (with hindsight) wouldn't have named the book "case closed". Amongst many ripper circles, the book is (a little unfairly imo) derided.

What other ripper books have you read mate?
 
Started reading Tell All by Chuck Palahniuk on sunday before chores quickly made me put it down. Opens quite well.
 
Started reading Tell All by Chuck Palahniuk on sunday before chores quickly made me put it down. Opens quite well.

Read his Snuff book. Strangely quite easy to get through. Wierd book though. Couple of interesting twists in it.
 
Just finished A Clash of Kings. Just stormed through the last 3 chapters , which is the first time I've read a book at home in years and years - that tells you all you need to know. Gripping.

A Storm of Swords is on it's way in the post - I hope it arrives before I get my train to London on Saturday so I can begin book 3.......... Oh, and Jaqen H'ghar - amazing character!
 
Just finished A Clash of Kings. Just stormed through the last 3 chapters , which is the first time I've read a book at home in years and years - that tells you all you need to know. Gripping.

A Storm of Swords is on it's way in the post - I hope it arrives before I get my train to London on Saturday so I can begin book 3.......... Oh, and Jaqen H'ghar - amazing character!

Woop! Glad you are enjoying it. Some tense times ahead! I'm always envious of those experiencing it all for the first time.

I was going to borrow the latest book from flatmate's boyfriend ('s uncle's hairdresser's dog-walker's cat) but ended up getting it as a birthday pressie. So far, it ain't disappointing!
 
Cornwells book is, I'm afraid, nowhere near as authoritative as it originally claims, specifically her arguement regarding DNA evidence. Fair play to cornwell for putting her money where her mouth is (she funded all the research etc herself however it does not even come close to confirming Sickert as the ripper. Indeed, Cornwell has herself acknowledged much of this, & has stated she (with hindsight) wouldn't have named the book "case closed". Amongst many ripper circles, the book is (a little unfairly imo) derided.

What other ripper books have you read mate?

Not a lot lately, most of the ones I read were years ago (in my teens) and I'd be hard pushed to remember what they were. I need to get some info on the best ones to get hold of, the amount of time I've spent looking up books and reading reviews only to end up dismissing them. Any help in that field would be appreciated mate.

I agree that Cornwell's book was far from definitive, and it was nowhere near enough to point the finger at Walter Sickert, but at the time it was the most in depth I had actually seen anybody go into the case. I've watched hundreds of programs on the case and none of them actually have any factual evidence. That led me to lose my interest for a long time as I wanted to hear facts and not rehashed speculation. There are a few Jack the Ripper based comic books too which are mighty fine reads if you're interested.
 
Just finished A Clash of Kings. Just stormed through the last 3 chapters , which is the first time I've read a book at home in years and years - that tells you all you need to know. Gripping.

A Storm of Swords is on it's way in the post - I hope it arrives before I get my train to London on Saturday so I can begin book 3.......... Oh, and Jaqen H'ghar - amazing character!

Interesting the way you just scan these pages to see what's going on and come across a bit of a coincidence.
Last night the guy on the train next to me was reading A Storm of Swords and I thought it looked kind of ok. Never seen it before though.
The Bloke opposite him was reading 'A Clash of Kings'.
Then just before he got off, he leaned back to talk to the bloke behind him, who was also reading A Storm of Swords, now it's on here too. That's 3 times I've come across this in 28 hours!
 
Not a lot lately, most of the ones I read were years ago (in my teens) and I'd be hard pushed to remember what they were. I need to get some info on the best ones to get hold of, the amount of time I've spent looking up books and reading reviews only to end up dismissing them. Any help in that field would be appreciated mate.

I agree that Cornwell's book was far from definitive, and it was nowhere near enough to point the finger at Walter Sickert, but at the time it was the most in depth I had actually seen anybody go into the case. I've watched hundreds of programs on the case and none of them actually have any factual evidence. That led me to lose my interest for a long time as I wanted to hear facts and not rehashed speculation. There are a few Jack the Ripper based comic books too which are mighty fine reads if you're interested.

I know of the From Hell graphic novel by Moore. What others are there?

For good, true, factual stuff you can't go wrong with this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-History-Jack-Ripper/dp/1841193976

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You can't go wrong. Another excellent tome is onald Rumbelows:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Jack-Ripper-Donald-Rumbelow/dp/0140173951
 
Thanks for the links mate, I'll definitely pick those up.

From Hell is a good read, I enjoyed the movie adaption too for what it was. Whitechapel Freak is a brilliant read, a quirky take on the mythos with some absolutely fantastic work by David Hitchcock.

There is also a comic book adaption of Robert Bloch's 'Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper' from IDW. It's a three issue mini-series and can be picked up off eBay quite regularly. I think it's becoming a cult hit in the comic world though as prices have steadily risen over the past few months. There is a 5-page preview in the link I posted.
 
This place has hundreds of Ripper books, and is also a fantastic place to buy most books. I use it a hell of a lot.

I'd also highly recommend The Walking Dead collections. I collected the comics for years and it really is a gripping read, you can pick them up from the link above in collected format in trade paperback or hardback volumes.
 
The book depository has sugdens book at 30% off fella. Seriously, if you're looking for a good detailed book, it can't be beat.

Cheers for the info on Whitechapel Freak - never heard of that one. The From Hell book I've seen & keep meaning to get round to buying but never have. The film is decent, & Stewart Evans (a known ripper researcher) was an adviser on the film.

I was aware of Bloch's work, but clearly need to investigate further...
 
I have recently read, "The Court of the Red Tsar" by Simon Sebag Montefiore. For anyone interested in Stalin, I would highly recommend it. While the book does not excuse, nor try to hide the evil of Stalin, it does look into the background of who Stalin really was.
 
Recently read:
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There are a couple of books concerning the alleged diary of jack the ripper purportedly written by James Maybrick found in the early 90's. The so-called ripper diary saga got blown wide open by the characters involved - Michael Barrett who first wanted to publish it had numerous problems (including the break up of his marriage, alcoholism etc) & issued various contradictory statements (first it was genuine, then he forged it, then someone else forged it, then genuine again). A journalist Paul Feldman got hold of the story & wanted to make a film (I think he made a book, but am not sure on the film). Reading between the lines, he became exceptionally zealous in his belief in the diary. Another team of journalists (Shirley Harrison et al) were also trying to prove provenance. So in this competing world, you also had the debunkers (such as Melvin Harris, a ripperologist, who co-incidentally had a book with a different suspect coming out at the same time) and the Times newspaper (who were still smarting from publishing hitlers diarys, then found they were faked).

All in all, it has never been proven whether the diary is fake or genuine (typical with anything JtR related). Maybrick WAS in Whitechapel (from Liverpool) at the times of the killings. The diary alludes to certain seeming facts that were not allegedly in the public domain until 1987.

The whole thing is complicated by the alleged finding of James Maybricks watch...

This book is a more balanced view of the diary find, & the process of it entering into the public domain. An interesting read. If anything it highlights how easily carried away we can be by our beliefs...
 
I then read:
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I am a big fan of airside & their work. One of their founders was in the band lemon jelly. The book details how they grew from a small collection of graphic designers, into a large scale operation as a company, and looks at their evolution, as well as their business and art philosophy. Plus there are lots of pretty pictures! I really enjoyed this book, & learned a fair bit from it. The art is truly gorgeous too.
 
Recently read:
ripper-diary-inside-story-caroline-morris-hardcover-cover-art.jpg

There are a couple of books concerning the alleged diary of jack the ripper purportedly written by James Maybrick found in the early 90's. The so-called ripper diary saga got blown wide open by the characters involved - Michael Barrett who first wanted to publish it had numerous problems (including the break up of his marriage, alcoholism etc) & issued various contradictory statements (first it was genuine, then he forged it, then someone else forged it, then genuine again). A journalist Paul Feldman got hold of the story & wanted to make a film (I think he made a book, but am not sure on the film). Reading between the lines, he became exceptionally zealous in his belief in the diary. Another team of journalists (Shirley Harrison et al) were also trying to prove provenance. So in this competing world, you also had the debunkers (such as Melvin Harris, a ripperologist, who co-incidentally had a book with a different suspect coming out at the same time) and the Times newspaper (who were still smarting from publishing hitlers diarys, then found they were faked).

All in all, it has never been proven whether the diary is fake or genuine (typical with anything JtR related). Maybrick WAS in Whitechapel (from Liverpool) at the times of the killings. The diary alludes to certain seeming facts that were not allegedly in the public domain until 1987.

The whole thing is complicated by the alleged finding of James Maybricks watch...

This book is a more balanced view of the diary find, & the process of it entering into the public domain. An interesting read. If anything it highlights how easily carried away we can be by our beliefs...

I have always thought that some-one in authority knew who Jack was. I fear the mystery will never be proven one way or another. Though books such as "The Ripper Diary" certainly opens ones eyes to the possible identity of Jack the Ripper.

Sorry LemonJelly, but I still think it was Tumblety.
 
I have always thought that some-one in authority knew who Jack was. I fear the mystery will never be proven one way or another. Though books such as "The Ripper Diary" certainly opens ones eyes to the possible identity of Jack the Ripper.

Sorry LemonJelly, but I still think it was Tumblety.

No need to apologise Frank!

I can't go with Tumblety, though can see why people would.
George Hutchinson still strikes me as a good candidate. I'm getting a really good book on Kosminski for my birthday soon, & am really looking forward to that - after all, Kosminski was Sir Robert Andersons favoured subject, and was also mentioned my Melville Macnaughton too.

I'm less convinced in the cover up theories though. They just don't seem plausible enough for me.
 
No need to apologise Frank!

I can't go with Tumblety, though can see why people would.
George Hutchinson still strikes me as a good candidate. I'm getting a really good book on Kosminski for my birthday soon, & am really looking forward to that - after all, Kosminski was Sir Robert Andersons favoured subject, and was also mentioned my Melville Macnaughton too.

I'm less convinced in the cover up theories though. They just don't seem plausible enough for me.

Kosminski was mentioned at the time, but Police discounted him, not that that means much. He was certainly a definite possibility.

As for the cover up, it was difficult to be anonymous in the slums of Whitechapel, so I still remain convinced that the killer was known. Though, I could be totally wrong!!!
 
Kosminski was mentioned at the time, but Police discounted him, not that that means much. He was certainly a definite possibility.

As for the cover up, it was difficult to be anonymous in the slums of Whitechapel, so I still remain convinced that the killer was known. Though, I could be totally wrong!!!

Kosminski was disregarded as he was insane at the time. His insanity wasn't necessarily violent though. I wouldn't say he was discounted by police at all. He was incarcerated in 1891 I think.

I'd also suggest it was actually quite easy to be anonymous in 1888 whitechapel - lodging houses would sleep 18-30 across 2 rooms! Cheapest accommodation was to lie across a rope strung across a room. People didn't have fixed tenancies like now. Take 29 Hanbury Street - a murder occurred in the back garden, whilst there were 17 people asleep in the house!
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it were maybrick but the ripper diary stuff needs to give a bit more to convince me. Great reading though.
 
A Storm of Swords: Steel and Snow is finished. Stupid overly long appendices - I didn't realise how close to the end I was!

But it's great. Book 4 (well, book 3 part 2) is ordered!
 
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