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Wolves v Braga - Verdict Thread

Cutrones finishing wasn’t good, but to be fair he had to create a lot of it himself, the service was poor tonight.

We were too deep and too slow. Donk was a passenger again. Bennet gave the ball away and his passing was really negative.

I thought MGW did ok, he or Saiss should be in for Donk going forward.
 
Palace away is looking and feeling like they will do exactly what they did to us at Mol last year, sit in frustrate and then punish.
 
This is classic you.

You also wrote Neves off in Sep 17 after 5 games. Give the lad time, he got into good positions, he just needs to settle down and not snap shots off so quickly.

Amen. Jinky is happiest when he's got something to moan about. He's Charles Ross 2.0
 
With Doc back in, I'd like Moutinho and Jota start and maybe take Donk out for a game or two. We'll come good.
 
Sounds reassuring but we've been poor/struggled to win even when Moutinho and Jota have started this season.

Not a big fan of the blind faith/we'll come good mentality... Nuno will certainly have to earn his wages over the next couple of months though and ensure we 'come good', as pressure will build game by game. Winnable PL fixtures on the horizon so let's see where we are after them!?
 
Amen. Jinky is happiest when he's got something to moan about. He's Charles Ross 2.0

Pablo has gone fishing, but he’s not getting a bite. Unlucky, mate.

DDW - I want Cutrone to succeed as much as the next man. But I wonder what the reaction would have been like if, say, Adama had missed the same chances as Pat, this evening?

I don’t get the love in, right now. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
I think he's been overrated a bit, on here mainly to bolster an argument or two about transfers, but with fans in general I think its more good-natured encouragement for a young lad in a new country
 
Well i thought we played well against a very decent Braga team.
Second half, as soon as Neves moved further forward (amen) there was only one team in it.
second half turning point was their goalie feigning an injury which enabled them to stunt us somewhat.
Second turning point was taking Gibbs White off, putting Mou on just plain sloweeeed the game down when our tempo was the answer to the first half no show.
For all the moaning bout Pat, jiminez was pretty anonymous and i would have swapped him for Jota.
Think its got to be a Curtone/jota Neto/jiminez Curtone /Neto Jiminez/jota combo for me.

They can go fuck themselves with their blatant timewasting bollocks too.
 
Cutrone’s movement is good, he made chances for himself tonight and he was a greater threat than Raul. The lad looks decent to me, certainly more of a footballer than I expected and I’m confident the goals will come, as some one said he needs to relax a little.
 
An ok performance but nothing more. Jonny excellent in first half, rest decidedly average. Jota looked a bit brighter than recently when he came on. Bad mistake by Bennett but others could have done more to stop them scoring from it.

Not bringing in another ventral midfielder looks a very bad decision as we lack any pace and creativity there. It could be a long season I fear unless we tweak something to help us create more clear chances and cut out the habit of gifting soft goals.
 
I think I must have been at a different game to some of the people on here, yep I'm frustrated that an error cost us a goal and we weren't clnical enough in front of goal but I thought we played quite well on the whole, the defence looked far more composed (Bennet clusterfuck excepted) and we played some nice football at times. Boly back to his imperious best and Neves much better than of late. Thought Doc didn't get the ball anywhere near enough...especially first half when he spent most of it in acres of space. To me we looked much more like last seasons Wolves.
 
Well as someone who thought with improvement to come from several of our players this season and more experience plus a couple of promising signings we would have another very good season i'm now worried. I know some will say it's too early and we did ok tonight but there's some serious problems tactically that Nuno is struggling with and so are our players, there's other things at play like every error seems to lead to a goal right now but this all comes from our play and mentality. I know there's a difference in opinion on how we played tonight but despite a couple of good chances for Cutrone and Dendoncker we were not very good and we just don't look as fluid as last year. Obviously if they take those chances it looks better but it would be papering over some serious cracks.

Anyway tactically, i've mentioned previously that when we have the ball Neves is far too deep so i thought i'd look at that a bit more tonight and i counted at least 5 times he was behind Coady, then for some reason when we have the ball in defensive areas for some reason we are going to back four of Bennett, Coady, Neves and Boly. This is leading to some serious issues both in our build up and then when we lose the ball, for example; -

Neves dropping where he is is leaving massive gaps centrally especially when the other 2 midfielders are wider.
When they drop deep centrally it's leaving massive gaps behind the front 2 meaning there's no link
We are then playing really poor clips at head/chest height to whoever is upfront and it keeps coming back as they are under pressure from cb's and midfielders under no pressure are picking up those balls
Coady is in the team to be the organising ball playing sweeper, with Neves dropping there his passing becomes redundant as he just gives it to him
With the back 4 the ball travels sideways far too much and the tempo is poor and easy for sides to set up against
All of this means the ball is coming back far too much, we can't press in areas like last year and can't set the traps we did putting us under more pressure and leading to more individual errors
It looks like players are really struggling to adapt to it and several of them are way out of form, Neves and Dendoncker in particular and Coady looks like he's struggling now too.

If Nuno wants us to go to that back 4 in possession then he has to change a few other things, the wing backs have to push on a lot more and come inside more with the ball to link and the 2 other central midfielders need to be more central and 1 has to be deeper and one pushed on. This still lets us set traps, it gives us out balls and doesn't leave gaping holes in between our players. That's a massive change though and i'd rather we just went back to what we were doing last year with Neves and the team 5/10 yards further up or we go to a deeper 2 narrow in front of Coady with an attacking player behind the front 2.

Nuno has mentioned tonight that we aren't playing well so at least he knows that but he's not seeing games like he should be either, we had one really good spell tonight just after half time but we didn't press home that advantage and any momentum or creativity went really once MGW went off. He did give the ball away a bit but he was looking to be positive and go forwards and played 2 or 3 fabulous passes that we arguably should have scored from. I've been very positive since Nuno came in and couldn't be any other way really because of what he's done and we had one spell last year where we didn't pick up points but we still looked like winning games and played quite well in some of those games like Arsenal and Brighton away, he still saw something wrong changed it and we improved again. This is a bigger problem right now and Sunday becomes a massive game as we are lacking confidence and only winning games is going to improve that and it needs to be done very quickly. Luckily there's still a long way to go and the problems can be rectified but losing and conceding goals is hard habit to get rid of once you get it.
 
I thought Neves was quite a bit further forward tonight than in recent games for most of the match
 
First half was reminiscent of games last season against a compact, well organised team, working to find an opportunity and when we did spurning it. Second half was more like Wolves under Hoddle, possession sideways and backwards with no incision. I think the worry metre has moved from zero concern to slightly concerned.
 
Jonny excellent. Cutrone really good apart from the essential of finishing. Thought he had a good game but no luck. MGW was at best average, as was Neves.

Really liked the look of Horta in their midfield. Ran the show.
 
I said in the summer we may have hit Bennetts ceiling, he'd done very well for us but he'd hit his peak and the only way was to plateau.

We are so passive it's unreal, our midfield is so deep we can't get Jonny/Doc into attacking areas with side rule balls so it's a case of venture forwards, recycle possession repeat.

Cutrone snatched at his opportunities but he did well on the whole, if he can calm down the goals will come.

Neves passing was generally much crisper as was Coadys but Neves holding hands with the back three has got to end.

I blow hot and cold with MGW but tonight he showed some good touches and wasn't far off something working out.

I'm concerned but don't think there's anything terminal about this just yet.

Braga were cynical shithouses after the goal and credit to the referee for seeing through it and booking a couple and also for seeing the dives in both areas.
 
We’ll be fine. It’s annoying at the mo. By the way, didn’t know there were two Hortas playing for them. My comment above wasn’t for their scorer but the little number 15 in central midfield. Proper player.
 
We looked a lot better defensively this evening. Apart from Bennett's error for the goal, they created next to nothing. Thought Boly was excellent tonight, especially in the first half.

There are 2 problems for me. Firstly, there is too much of a gap between our front 2 and the midfield. Nobody is getting forward and joining up to help them out, which leaves it where the front 2 need to create something between themselves (see the Cutrone chance where he blazed over) Second, there is a real lack of confidence in the side which is affecting our play. Bennett was the perfect example. He makes a bad error that leads to a goal, and after that he would only play simple backwards balls to Coady. The team going forward don't seem to have the confidence to play passes at a quicker tempo, they are slowing things down and trying to be so precise that it's easier to defend against. They seem scared to make a mistake and give the ball away attempting something, so go for an easy option.

Having said that, I'm still not overly concerned about our season's prospects. We have to remember in our first 5 league games this season we've played Leicester and Everton away, both have been tipped in places for a top 6 challenge this season, and Man Utd and Chelsea at home - both firmly established members of the top 6. The only game we've had where I went into it completely assured of victory was Burnley. We have an easier looking set of fixtures coming up - Palace away, Watford home, Southampton home and Newcastle away in our next 5 games - and none of those have set the world on fire this season either. If we are still sat in the bottom 3 following the Newcastle game I will understand the panic. At the moment I think we still need to trust that Nuno knows what he's doing, and what needs doing to sort things out.
 
Well as someone who thought with improvement to come from several of our players this season and more experience plus a couple of promising signings we would have another very good season i'm now worried. I know some will say it's too early and we did ok tonight but there's some serious problems tactically that Nuno is struggling with and so are our players, there's other things at play like every error seems to lead to a goal right now but this all comes from our play and mentality. I know there's a difference in opinion on how we played tonight but despite a couple of good chances for Cutrone and Dendoncker we were not very good and we just don't look as fluid as last year. Obviously if they take those chances it looks better but it would be papering over some serious cracks.

Anyway tactically, i've mentioned previously that when we have the ball Neves is far too deep so i thought i'd look at that a bit more tonight and i counted at least 5 times he was behind Coady, then for some reason when we have the ball in defensive areas for some reason we are going to back four of Bennett, Coady, Neves and Boly. This is leading to some serious issues both in our build up and then when we lose the ball, for example; -

Neves dropping where he is is leaving massive gaps centrally especially when the other 2 midfielders are wider.
When they drop deep centrally it's leaving massive gaps behind the front 2 meaning there's no link
We are then playing really poor clips at head/chest height to whoever is upfront and it keeps coming back as they are under pressure from cb's and midfielders under no pressure are picking up those balls
Coady is in the team to be the organising ball playing sweeper, with Neves dropping there his passing becomes redundant as he just gives it to him
With the back 4 the ball travels sideways far too much and the tempo is poor and easy for sides to set up against
All of this means the ball is coming back far too much, we can't press in areas like last year and can't set the traps we did putting us under more pressure and leading to more individual errors
It looks like players are really struggling to adapt to it and several of them are way out of form, Neves and Dendoncker in particular and Coady looks like he's struggling now too.

If Nuno wants us to go to that back 4 in possession then he has to change a few other things, the wing backs have to push on a lot more and come inside more with the ball to link and the 2 other central midfielders need to be more central and 1 has to be deeper and one pushed on. This still lets us set traps, it gives us out balls and doesn't leave gaping holes in between our players. That's a massive change though and i'd rather we just went back to what we were doing last year with Neves and the team 5/10 yards further up or we go to a deeper 2 narrow in front of Coady with an attacking player behind the front 2.

Nuno has mentioned tonight that we aren't playing well so at least he knows that but he's not seeing games like he should be either, we had one really good spell tonight just after half time but we didn't press home that advantage and any momentum or creativity went really once MGW went off. He did give the ball away a bit but he was looking to be positive and go forwards and played 2 or 3 fabulous passes that we arguably should have scored from. I've been very positive since Nuno came in and couldn't be any other way really because of what he's done and we had one spell last year where we didn't pick up points but we still looked like winning games and played quite well in some of those games like Arsenal and Brighton away, he still saw something wrong changed it and we improved again. This is a bigger problem right now and Sunday becomes a massive game as we are lacking confidence and only winning games is going to improve that and it needs to be done very quickly. Luckily there's still a long way to go and the problems can be rectified but losing and conceding goals is hard habit to get rid of once you get it.

I agree with this. At one point tonight Doherty, Raul and Dendoncker were 5 yards from each other on the right and on the left it was the same with Jonny, Cutrone and Moutinho. There was a massive gap between them with Neves central and miles behind them. With Neves so deep we need the wing backs to come inside more to give passing options. When they stay wide all the time they get marked leaving the four at the back to dither sideways like we used to under Hoddle.
 
Gutted to come away with nothing especially following 2 successive league defeats, I thought we deserved at least a point if not all 3 but nothing is coming off for us right now. I was pleased to see a more familiar defence and for the most part they did their job well but ultimately it was poor defending by Bennett that gifted them the opening for their goal. Boly though was his usual classy self.

I too noticed how deep Neves was sat, almost another defender, but I wouldn't say he was dreadful and he did some good things with a couple of long range shots thrown in.

In recent games we have been far too sloppy with our passing which has lead to us conceding possession far too often. We need to recover our composure.

I like Cutrone, he works his bollocks off and tries very hard. He squandered some chances, especially the one shortly before half time which should have been 1-0 but I think he needs more game time to help him settle. I was annoyed to hear Mel Eves scapegoating him after the game and criticizing him for looking frustrated with himself at not scoring, saying that Brian Clough would have substituted him for it. Personally I don't see anything wrong in a striker being frustrated at not scoring, I remember Bully often used to smash his hands against eachother in frustration if he missed.

We desperately need a win from somewhere and I fear the 'Nuno Out' goons will get louder the longer this goes on.
 
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