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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

Tredman said:
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Genuine question here. Why do negotiations and bids take so long? It's been days since we heard they had turned our initial offer down.

What takes so long from Jeff/Sellars etc that means we're waiting and waiting to go back in with a more reasonable offer?

In the days of instant messaging surely it can get done in hours not days..

Is it that more than one person needs to be involved in all the decision making at either end? Does the selling club have to convene board meetings to decide? What is it?
 
Tony Towner said:
I know it's naive, but whatever Boly thinks of Lage, Shi or Sellars after 5 years I think he owes the fans more. All that said there's only a subtle difference between what he's done and the lad at Stuttgart is doing.
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The subtle difference being he asked his manager who seems to be a reasonable human being rather than the one we have in charge?
 
The Bear said:
Genuine question here. Why do negotiations and bids take so long? It's been days since we heard they had turned our initial offer down.

What takes so long from Jeff/Sellars etc that means we're waiting and waiting to go back in with a more reasonable offer?

In the days of instant messaging surely it can get done in hours not days..

Is it that more than one person needs to be involved in all the decision making at either end? Does the selling club have to convene board meetings to decide? What is it?
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Place I work turns over something like £1.6bn and at senior QS level the highest value you can sign off without approval is £25k, even regional commercial managers are sub £100k and need things escalating to director level for bigger (essentially every works package that we place) orders.

Big companies tend to like governance and approvals to retain control of what's going on, you limit the number of people with authority and it takes time to get them available to approve things though.
 
Johnny75 said:
The subtle difference being he asked his manager who seems to be a reasonable human being rather than the one we have in charge?
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I think the only really difference is in the spin tbh. As with Hoever I don't think Lage's language does him, the club or the player any favours. I doubt very much that the first the they knew Boly wasn't showing up was at ten past 1. That said he should have sat on the bench, unlikely beforehand he would have come on and definitely wouldn't in hindsight. Little doubt in my mind that the 3 mainstays of Nuno's back 3 all have little time for Lage, but none of then will be here come Friday. I wonder how many others feel the same?
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Place I work turns over something like £1.6bn and at senior QS level the highest value you can sign off without approval is £25k, even regional commercial managers are sub £100k and need things escalating to director level for bigger (essentially every works package that we place) orders.

Big companies tend to like governance and approvals to retain control of what's going on, you limit the number of people with authority and it takes time to get them available to approve things though.
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I'm assuming football transfers are different to normal businesses though. Especially when we have Jeff trying to run everything on his own. Does he do the negotiating and offering bids? Surely he doesn't have to get Guo to sign off on any bid, and certainly Sellars is below him, so what takes him so long to actually submit another offer?
 
The Bear said:
I'm assuming football transfers are different to normal businesses though. Especially when we have Jeff trying to run everything on his own. Does he do the negotiating and offering bids? Surely he doesn't have to get Guo to sign off on any bid, and certainly Sellars is below him, so what takes him so long to actually submit another offer?
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You think Shi is allowed to just write a £25m cheque with no process of checks or approvals in place?
 
The Bear said:
I'm assuming football transfers are different to normal businesses though. Especially when we have Jeff trying to run everything on his own. Does he do the negotiating and offering bids? Surely he doesn't have to get Guo to sign off on any bid, and certainly Sellars is below him, so what takes him so long to actually submit another offer?
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If you were selling your house and someone bid below asking price which you rejected and came back in half an hour later with an increased offer then you'd reject it again because you'd think they really want it so there's more to get. If it took them a few days and nobody else had bid in the meantime then you'd be more likely to consider the offer.
 
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Sasa Is refusing to play to 1) not get injured 2) force a move. Although it’s quite clear he is going to be leaving. Boly on the other hand is refusing to turn up to force a move when he’s not going to play anyway.

So what doesn’t make sense is why is a player on big wages who is surplus to requirements, in the last year of his deal, who doesn’t want to be here being blocked from leaving? Yes the £1m bid is derisory but surely discussions with Boly have taken place and said “Look Willy, we’re happy to let you go for £5m but surely you can see £1m is a joke? If they put anything remotely decent in you’ll be allowed to leave so tell your agent to tell Forest to stop taking the piss if you want to go”.

So for it to get to this stage the club must have unreasonable expectations and the player thinks that. Or Boly is just being a dick. However, given he wasn’t in the squad midweek I imagine he wasn’t in the actual squad and was just the spare man just in case. So he thought fuck it.
 
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MARKakaJIM said:
Place I work turns over something like £1.6bn and at senior QS level the highest value you can sign off without approval is £25k, even regional commercial managers are sub £100k and need things escalating to director level for bigger (essentially every works package that we place) orders.

Big companies tend to like governance and approvals to retain control of what's going on, you limit the number of people with authority and it takes time to get them available to approve things though.
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Surely Shi knows in advance what our top offer will be? He won’t need to go back to his superiors every time we want to up the bid.
 
Wilf Wolf said:
Surely Shi knows in advance what our top offer will be? He won’t need to go back to his superiors every time we want to up the bid.
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We agree values in tender settlements when we price a job. We still have to go back and get approval for pretty much every single order we place, even when they're coming in under budget.

It's not Shi's money to spend at the end of the day, someone is going to want to know he isn't throwing it around frivolously. Fosun are publicly owned aren't they? Shareholders tend to like to know what's happening with their money.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Jeff's got free rein then?
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Perhaps he should email every shareholder to ask if he as CEO can up the bid by a couple of million? He is at the level your colleagues go to for authorisation so your real life experience bares no relation to how Shi will operate.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
You think Shi is allowed to just write a £25m cheque with no process of checks or approvals in place?
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No, but you'd you'd think they'd have got this sort of shit sorted before they started. (Go on then, start at this, and see how that goes down then you can go up to this, but not above that... Kind of thing. Fucking hell!)
 
Not sure we should look at Sasa deal in isolation - maybe £2M more on him means no Traore or Osorio, so we need to play hardball.
 
And then we play hardball, piss everyone about, nobody gets signed, then Jeff comes out and says we tried really hard but it wasn’t happening, like the last five years or so of not signing players
 
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