Some stats

[Parkins left foot]

- 3 wins in 19 games
- Form in those 19 games is W3 D9 L7, under a point a game
- 27 out of 45 games without a first half goal
- Failure to win next Saturday will give us our fewest number of home wins at this level since 1984/85
- A defeat next week will see us finish with just three more points than we had when relegated in 2012/13
- A defeat next week will give us one fewer point than in 1995/96 when we finished 20th
- Conor Hunte has now been an unused sub for four straight games despite the manager's promise to play youth when mathematically safe

Stop putting up stats - its depressing enough without having details

 

[Deleted Cyber]

- 3 wins in 19 games
- Form in those 19 games is W3 D9 L7, under a point a game
- 27 out of 45 games without a first half goal
- Failure to win next Saturday will give us our fewest number of home wins at this level since 1984/85
- A defeat next week will see us finish with just three more points than we had when relegated in 2012/13
- A defeat next week will give us one fewer point than in 1995/96 when we finished 20th
- Conor Hunte has now been an unused sub for four straight games despite the manager's promise to play youth when mathematically safe

If these are not depressing enough I looked at our record against the sides above us in the table. 3 wins 9 draws 13 defeats. Our only home win is against Derby. We are where we deserve to be at best. If we had not fluked those Xmas wins we would quite deservedly been have been in or close to relegation. The insipid nature of the football , turgid tactics and baffling selections and substitution s make this our worst performing season for 20 years . disgusting

 

[Lord Knows]

The simple fact is any club beats us this season if they have a striker on form. We don't create much against anyone and even in those games when victory was secured the opponents had goal scoring opportunities. We survive more because of other sides inadequacies rather than our own achievements.

 

[malta mick]

The simple fact is any club beats us this season if they have a striker on form. We don't create much against anyone and even in those games when victory was secured the opponents had goal scoring opportunities. We survive more because of other sides inadequacies rather than our own achievements.

Yes quite true. In fact if we had only had Siggy instead of Dicko, we may not have escaped from Lg 1

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The insipid nature of the football , turgid tactics and baffling selections and substitution s make this our worst performing season for 20 years . disgusting

It's not though is it, 2012/13 was far worse on pretty much every level, especially when allied to expectations, expenditure and given the arsehat we ended up with in the dugout. It's a dreadful mark of how poor we've been (particularly in the final three months) that we're going to end up with a fairly similar points haul but it isn't in the same league of catastrophe.

 

[The Bear]

The simple fact is any club beats us this season if they have a striker on form.

You could easily say that about the vast majority of clubs in this division.

 

[Premier Quality]

3 wins in 19 games is completely unacceptable, but the performances, lack of a clear plan, lack of development and lack of goals make it even worse. I don't see why he's not under massive pressure.

 

[Norman Deeley]

3 wins in 19 games is completely unacceptable, but the performances, lack of a clear plan, lack of development and lack of goals make it even worse. I don't see why he's not under massive pressure.

The only reasons surely are that a) fans are comparing him to Saunders and b) many fans choose to direct their anger at Morgan and Moxey the panto villain. Anyone looking at Jackett's performance dispassionately can only come to one conclusion

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The only reasons surely are that a) fans are comparing him to Saunders and b) many fans choose to direct their anger at Morgan and Moxey the panto villain. Anyone looking at Jackett's performance dispassionately can only come to one conclusion

I do find the easy ride Jackett's got from the fans to be extremely strange. Our fans are extremely strange at times.

This is why he's not under pressure from above, ie Jez (which let's face it, is more important):

It's diabolical leadership.

1) He's been in this position before where the club is up for sale and/or not receiving any further funding from the owner. First up when he first came in and Sir Jack was only allowing us to spend what we brought in through player sales, secondly post-2004 relegation when the club was explicitly up for sale. Both times he barely kept the club ticking over, sold off playing assets, allowed the team to drift into mid-table stagnation, crowds dipped and the football was rubbish. So what does he do this time? Exactly the same thing. For a bloke entrusted with running the club, with two decades' experience, who has seen the consequences of that (in)action previously, on £500k a year...inexcusable.


2) He deals in inapposite comparisons, I don't doubt at some point he'll roll out the old chestnut about how we gave Mick three years in this division and it worked out in the end, the difference being we finished 2007/8 with 26 points from our final 14 games and Mick's major January 2008 signing in SEB looked the business. We've picked up 14 points from our last 14 games to date this year and Ken's major January 2016 signing in Mason looks overpriced and ill suited to how we normally set up. Doubtless he'll also point to "sacking managers getting you nowhere" after the Feb 2012 - May 2013 shambles; just because YOU made awful decisions as a club previously doesn't mean that the concept of sacking managers altogether is flawed. Plenty of examples where clubs have made a change and it's been for the better. Even in this division, this season.


3) He doesn't understand football, he'll look at it and say it's been a transitional season, players sold/injured, we haven't really been that near relegation so not a disaster and we can move on next year. Fine in theory, but anyone who has the misfortune to watch us regularly (like me) will know how bad our football is, how miniscule our goal threat is, that - as stated elsewhere on here today - without a couple of highly fortunate wins over Christmas we WOULD be in serious relegation trouble now, that the manager has had numerous no stakes games to change things and we continue in a cycle of drawing 0-0 at home...I could go on. At board level there isn't anyone with football knowledge to challenge the manager or to see past raw data of "oh well we're 14th".


This "mind the stove" attitude to running a football club is fucking bollocks.

We have one man running the whole show and making all the important decisions - or more pertinently at the moment, not making them - and he has no feel for football at all. His entire current strategy is hoping someone buys us which I must say is a stunning use of £500k p/a. I'll do it for 5% of that.

 

[Tony Towner]

The only reasons are a) he doesn't complain b) he's prepared to pass decisions such as Stearman off as his own c) he's competent enough to probably not take us down

 

[Norman Deeley]

Because it's a bank holiday and i don't have a life, just been re-reading some of the "France here we come" pre-season thread. All this season's confusion and muddled thinking are there on that thread. Constant switching of formation, players played out of position, in the team and then jettisoned. Nine months later absolutely nothing has improved from that thread. Bloody depressing

 

[Deleted Cyber]

It's not though is it, 2012/13 was far worse on pretty much every level, especially when allied to expectations, expenditure and given the arsehat we ended up with in the dugout. It's a dreadful mark of how poor we've been (particularly in the final three months) that we're going to end up with a fairly similar points haul but it isn't in the same league of catastrophe.

We did better that year I believe against the top 13. 4 wins 7 draws 15 defeats 19 points. 1 point better than this year.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Irrelevant really, isn't it. Burnley and Brighton might be the top two this year and we haven't lost to either (and only conceded one goal), it means nothing. There's no way this season has been worse than 2012/13.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

I just don't see there being any direction at the club. When the club was up for sale under Sir Jack I got the impression that there were clear footballing parameters, and SJH had some overall involvement.

I don't see that now, Moxey has probably been given direction to keep everything the same - levels of reinvestment allowed from sales and first and foremost keep it ticking over as a stable club to make it appealing to any potential purchasers.

That's my guess anyhow, god knows what's really going on...

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Irrelevant really, isn't it. Burnley and Brighton might be the top two this year and we haven't lost to either (and only conceded one goal), it means nothing. There's no way this season has been worse than 2012/13.

Stop splitting hairs. Concede the point. We are awful at home this year we won seven and drew 7 in the relegation year beating hull Leicester and Birmingham all top 12 sides ,scoring 30 conceding 35. For the level of performance, standard of football this year is worse. The level of expectation was arguably higher at the start of this season given our 2015 form. You can't polish a turd. This year particularly at home has been a boring snorefest of non football. I can't defend it.

 

[Johnny75]

Stop splitting hairs. Concede the point. We are awful at home this year we won seven and drew 7 in the relegation year beating hull Leicester and Birmingham all top 12 sides ,scoring 30 conceding 35. For the level of performance, standard of football this year is worse. The level of expectation was arguably higher at the start of this season given our 2015 form. You can't polish a turd. This year particularly at home has been a boring snorefest of non football. I can't defend it.

Are you seriously saying we were better in our relegation season? I don't want to come across all superfan but how many times did you see Saunders mangerial masterpiece?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Where have I defended anything about this season?

I'm just telling you that when you start a season as one of the favourites for promotion less than 18 months out from beating the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd, invest nearly £10m on new signings, bring in a manager with a reasonably high profile in European football and an ambitious statement on changing the entire culture at the club, and you then end that season knocked out of the FA Cup by a non-league team, relegated to League One and with Dean Saunders as your manager, that is a worse season than this one. By miles. It would be perverse to argue otherwise.

 

[Parkins left foot]

We can quote stats all we like, doesn't disguise the fact that this has been a mess of a season - no plan or even working toward one has ever been apparant

If we go into next season with the current setup, then whilst the squad (including retuning injured) should have enough to not be in serious trouble I have little faith if Kenny is still in situ as there is no reason to think that he will be any more decisive as to a settled team

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Are you seriously saying we were better in our relegation season? I don't want to come across all superfan but how many times did you see Saunders mangerial masterpiece?

I have to say the games I saw at home and away that year compared to the ones I have seen this year we were pretty poor on both. My view is probably a little skewd as I was lucky enough to see several wins in 2012 compared to several draws in 2016. Not starting an argument. We all know so much was wrong that season and jacket changed it around. That to me makes this season worse. We missed out on the play offs by a whisker, played some lovely football and had a great attack and home record last season and all that has gone in 12 months. As a fan I find that heart breaking I am sorry.

 

[Langers]

How very bizarre. Do you think The Godfather III is better than the previous 2?