REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Langers]

It's easier to write Boris than Alexander Boris De Pfeffal Johnson tbh

'Cunt' is far easier.

 

[leedswolf]

A lot of stupid people are in for a serious shock come January, on both sides of the debate.

I know a lot of my in-laws buy a lot of 'fast-fashion' from the UK. They wont be laughing when they see the new VAT and customs charges coming in from Jan 1st.
UK travellers in Europe are going to be clobbered with data roaming charges again.
Tariffs on imports/exports, huge delays to freight, severe job losses etc.....

But yeah, you may find you are better off with no deal....

The mobile operators (Three, EE, O2 and Vodafone) have have stated that they have no current plans to change their mobile roaming policies. However, they could change if they wished.

 

[Premier Quality]

Really good thread summary in the guardian


In his column in the Times (paywall) this morning James Forsyth suggests that a solution is possible to the level playing field dispute in the UK-EU trade talks. He writes:

The same problem can be seen in the biggest sticking point in the talks, the so-called ratchet clause. This is meant to address what happens if the EU tightens its regulations in one area and the UK does not follow suit. The EU wants the right to unilaterally impose tariffs in these circumstances. There would be no obligation to show that Britain’s different standards were distorting trade. The EU would simply be able to act. But Britain would not be able to hit back. The text proposed by the EU would block us from responding to measures that they thought were unfair or disproportionate with their tariffs.
It is not sustainable to have a system where Brussels can act as judge and jury and then unilaterally disarm the UK to prevent it from taking countermeasures. There is, however, a potential solution to this problem. The EU could still have the right to respond if it increased regulations and Britain didn’t follow. It would, though, not be able to do this automatically. Rather, it would have to go to arbitration and show that the different standards were having a material effect. This would deal with the EU’s medium-term concern about Britain trying to undercut it while maintaining zero-tariff, zero-quota access to its market. It would also reassure the British side that it could not be subject to capricious actions by Brussels every time the EU introduced a relatively minor change.

Forsyth also suggests that the dispute over fisheries could be solved - essentially by paying off the EU fishing fleets likely to lose out most.

My colleague Daniel Boffey thinks Forsyth is referring to an option acceptable to the EU.

Daniel Boffey (@danielboffey)
Typically astute piece by @JGForsyth. And the solution he lights upon on sounds very much like where the EU proposal has landed - although everything is currently shrouded in fog. Perhaps, tellingly.
December 11, 2020

Robert Peston, ITV’s political editor, also thinks the column highlights where a compromise is possible - although he is not sure whether Boris Johnson himself can see it.

Robert Peston (@Peston)
The big question for me tonight is whether @JGForsyth’s column on the government’s reservations about the EU’s free trade negotiating position characterises @BorisJohnson’s thinking, or someone else at the top of government, such as @michaelgove. The reason this matters is...
December 10, 2020

Robert Peston (@Peston)
that much of what Forsyth describes as obstacles to a deal has already been removed by the EU, or (the EU has told @DavidGHFrost) will be sorted. So these are either not the roadblocks @BorisJohnson is actually worried about, or they are paper tigers, that will be vanquished...
December 10, 2020

Robert Peston (@Peston)
before Sunday, to allow the PM to announce victory and a deal. So Forsyth’s column is either the PM preparing the ground to declare victory and a deal, or a desperately anxious colleague of his trying to show the PM how to avoid no deal and claim victory. I can’t judge which...
December 10, 2020

 

[Premier Quality]

Getting away from all the swearing and bitching (and I would say DDW’s post was clearly made up, it’s like a skit they put in the guardian sometimes), I think a deal is there for Johnson if he wants it as it states above - we will end up with his choice, whatever that may be, and regardless of what he says about it afterwards.

 

[Sniffer]

FFS - These are the governing party of our country.





Imran Ahmad Khan MP

@imranahmadkhan
Replying to @imranahmadkhan
Have our EU “friends” no regard or respect for the UK and our nations’ sacrifices that permit them to live in freedom and prosperity today, safely away from the shadow of totalitarianism?

 

[jdrodrigues]

FFS - These are the governing party of our country.


Imran Ahmad Khan MP
@imranahmadkhan
Replying to @imranahmadkhan
Have our EU “friends” no regard or respect for the UK and our nations’ sacrifices that permit them to live in freedom and prosperity today, safely away from the shadow of totalitarianism?

Ahahahahah

Oh my. That's a whole new level.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Emigration really can’t come soon enough.

 

[Jabbawolf]

Britain saving the world from evil is akin to West Ham winning the World Cup unaided.

 

[Sniffer]

Good news folks. We’ve quietly increased of Royal Navy patrol boats from 4 to 8 so that we can patrol our waters from 1st January.

That’ll show em.

 

[leedswolf]

Good news folks. We’ve quietly increased of Royal Navy patrol boats from 4 to 8 so that we can patrol our waters from 1st January.

That’ll show em.

We could train the fish to 'stay'.

 

[Paul]

Good news folks. We’ve quietly increased of Royal Navy patrol boats from 4 to 8 so that we can patrol our waters from 1st January.

That’ll show em.

It showed the might of Iceland in the 60's and 70's didn't it ?

 

[Tony Towner]

It showed the might of Iceland in the 60's and 70's didn't it ?

That was the cod war. This is the nob war

 

[Keef]

Saw a comment on sky news Facebook saying this could be how WW3 starts, French fishing boats enter our waters, the navy sinks them, the French retaliate and Europe joins in because a NATO member has been attacked, 100 or so replies later bloke was still arguing that we weren't in NATO anymore because we'd left the EU and Europe.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Saw a comment on sky news Facebook saying this could be how WW3 starts, French fishing boats enter our waters, the navy sinks them, the French retaliate and Europe joins in because a NATO member has been attacked, 100 or so replies later bloke was still arguing that we weren't in NATO anymore because we'd left the EU and Europe.

This is how the EU Army is formed!

 

[leedswolf]

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hang on a second, if he wasn't in control before....what has he been doing for the last 12 months? Are we supposed to be reassured by that?

Leaving aside that he has the diplomatic skills of Mark McGhee and the personal charm of Dean Saunders.

 

[sycophantia]

Let s face it, think we were all aghast at thought of Johnson running the country but quite frankly its getting very embarrasing now

 

[Sniffer]

Talks continuing. Constructive statement from UVDL so let’s see what coco says when he makes an announcement.

 

[sycophantia]

Suppose its a glimmer of hope

 

[Keef]

took personal control of the pandemic as well, that's going brilliantly, oh hang on....