O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

[Alan]

They were awful though, one of the worst PL teams ever

One of the few matches Bruno got against a manager worse than him.

 

[Wolvensam]

I was trying to think earlier of games since Nuno that we have played as well as today in.

United away we were very good throughout the game and deserved to win. Not sure anything as comprehensive as this.

Liverpool 3-0 under JL was fairly comprehensive. But today was more so.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

One of the few matches Bruno got against a manager worse than him.

Roy isn't worse than Lage

I don't think Dean Smith is worse than Lage

Xisco Muñoz, maybe

Modern day Rafa, definitely

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Difference is Nuno had heaps of credit in the bank for that 18/19 season. O’Neil has very much had to, and still has to, win fans over.

Not sure why this point is being made though, the initial comment was the slight on GON that "he's not a tactical genius", credit or no credit that's irrelevant in this context isn't it?

He's got us playing good football, and tactically he has been getting it right else we wouldn't be seeing the points haul. You don't win games in the Premier League without being good tactically.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

They were awful though, one of the worst PL teams ever

Yeah, but we were very, very good that day too. Our biggest Prem win.

 

[Wolvensam]

Not sure why this point is being made though, the initial comment was the slight on GON that "he's not a tactical genius", credit or no credit that's irrelevant in this context isn't it?

He's got us playing good football, and tactically he has been getting it right else we wouldn't be seeing the points haul. You don't win games in the Premier League without being good tactically.

I think it’s more that Nuno was allowed those off days or poor runs as we knew it would be OK eventually/he had the credit from the fans to see him through. O’Neil is a lot more under the microscope as many considered him a poor appointment.

I agree with you that he has done very well and is good tactically.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I think it’s more that Nuno was allowed those off days or poor runs as we knew it would be OK eventually/he had the credit from the fans to see him through. O’Neil is a lot more under the microscope as many considered him a poor appointment.

Yeah that's fair.

I'm surprised how close we are in terms of points to Nuno's first Prem season, as DW touches on, it felt a lot better that season than this.

 

[Alan]

Not sure why this point is being made though, the initial comment was the slight on GON that "he's not a tactical genius", credit or no credit that's irrelevant in this context isn't it?

He's got us playing good football, and tactically he has been getting it right else we wouldn't be seeing the points haul. You don't win games in the Premier League without being good tactically.

It's just about sample size, for me, really. I need to see more from GO, especially mid-match management, before I'm going to start throwing around big compliments about his tactics. Marathon, not a sprint, etc etc.

In terms of his ability to get players onside and fighting for him, there's no doubt he's excellent.

"Not a genius" != "A moron"

 

[Wolvensam]

Yeah that's fair.

I'm surprised how close we are in terms of points to Nuno's first Prem season, as DW touches on, it felt a lot better that season than this.

I’m surprised too. Bearing in mind VAR has done us out of 7 points.

 

[Tony Towner]

I’m surprised too. Bearing in mind VAR has done us out of 7 points.

This number seems to go by the week. Realistically it's 4. 5 against 1 for, Newcastle way too much time in the game to judge

 

[AndyWolves]

This number seems to go by the week. Realistically it's 4

As it stands right now, that would put us 7th

 

[Kenny]

This number seems to go by the week. Realistically it's 14

Pushing it a bit but would be sat at the top table....

 

[Wolftone]

I remember people on here calling Gary O'Neil a P.E. teacher.
And I remember who said we'd have 2 points after 10 games.
Hoping he'd fail as he wanted him out of 'his' club.

 

[Wolvensam]

This number seems to go by the week. Realistically it's 4

1 from United.
2 from Luton.
3 from Fulham.
1 from Sheffield United.

 

[Tony Towner]

1 from United.
2 from Luton.
3 from Fulham.
1 from Sheffield United.

You can't have 3 from Fulham

 

[Wolvensam]

You can't have 3 from Fulham

I’ll settle on 1 from Fulham then

 

[Alan]

I think any discussion about points VAR has cost us needs to slightly tempered against the points it has probably cost others.

Hate to use the old cliché, but it probably just about evens out in the end. Impossible to say.

 

[Tony Towner]

I remember people on here calling Gary O'Neil a P.E. teacher.
And I remember who said we'd have 2 points after 10 games.
Hoping he'd fail as he wanted him out of 'his' club.

There's one poster that calls Semedo shit on pretty much every matchday thread, even though he's had a decent season at least defensively. We all have our biases

 

[The Bear]

It's just about sample size, for me, really. I need to see more from GO, especially mid-match management, before I'm going to start throwing around big compliments about his tactics. Marathon, not a sprint, etc etc.

In terms of his ability to get players onside and fighting for him, there's no doubt he's excellent.

"Not a genius" != "A moron"

Did Nuno ever do much mid game in terms of the way we played? Other than bring on another midfielder I don't remember him ever changing the way we played very often.

 

[Alan]

Did Nuno ever do much mid game in terms of the way we played? Other than bring on another midfielder I don't remember him ever changing the way we played very often.

That’s one for someone smarter than me.