Live Match Discussion: 2020/21

[sycophantia]

I'm no conspiracy theorist but its getting to the stage where even I am asking the question about corruption i.e. Refs protecting their own.
There was no ambiguity at all with that decision last night surely, as stonewall a penalty you're ever likely to see with good visibility for Dean and a number of camera angles showing Tielemans kick to the back of the leg in the box.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Can anybody successfully argue that VAR has improved the game? There are as many, if not more, frustrating calls by refs than there were before. All we have done is hand the poor decision making over to the VAR ref rather than the ref on the pitch. It’s bollocks and I hate it.

 

[AndyWolves]

Remove VAR for offside decisions unless the margin of error is more than 10 centimetres - stay with the on field call unless it's wrong by more than 10 centimetres (or some other value that's deemed reasonable). Lino's go back to flagging when they think someone if offside

The other decisions, i don't know what to say. It's not VAR that's making the wrong calls, it's the refs. Removing VAR for these would be removing the symptom, the issue is the calls the refs are making. That's the issue that needs to be fixed, why they're making such bad calls needs to be figured out.

 

[Johnny75]

Can anybody successfully argue that VAR has improved the game? There are as many, if not more, frustrating calls by refs than there were before. All we have done is hand the poor decision making over to the VAR ref rather than the ref on the pitch. It’s bollocks and I hate it.

It's the implementation of the tech not tech itself.

There are several decisions reversed/ given every week that are correct but the ones that are wrong are highlighted. That's idiots being in charge.

Until it is independent I would be binning it.

 

[WarwickWolf]

How can rugby and cricket do it so well and football so badly?

 

[Tredman]

Time and money - plenty of the former in both rugby & cricket and too much of the latter in football.

 

[AndyWolves]

It's the implementation of the tech not tech itself.

There are several decisions reversed/ given every week that are correct but the ones that are wrong are highlighted. That's idiots being in charge.

Until it is independent I would be binning it.

What do you mean by independent? A different body operates VAR to the on field refs?

 

[darlowolf64]

What do you mean by independent? A different body operates VAR to the on field refs?

Don't allow the referees anywhere near it. A combination of former players and retired referees would work. They can't be afraid to show their mates up...

 

[Johnny75]

What do you mean by independent? A different body operates VAR to the on field refs?

Independent of the PGMOL (which shouldn't be a company anyway).

Other countries officials would be the simplest and easiest way to go as they are independent.

Or

There are football analysts who work with software who could be independent of the PGMOL which would give the ref the ultimate say on the pitch (VAR only recommends).

Either way the PGMOL should not be involved.

 

[AndyWolves]

Don't allow the referees anywhere near it. A combination of former players and retired referees would work. They can't be afraid to show their mates up...

If the decisions really are being made to protect on field refs then PGMOL needs disbanding.

I'm still using the "never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence" logic with VAR

 

[Johnny75]

Don't allow the referees anywhere near it. A combination of former players and retired referees would work. They can't be afraid to show their mates up...

Former players shouldn't be a qualification either. Far too much stock is given to people who have played the game.

 

[darlowolf64]

Former players shouldn't be a qualification either. Far too much stock is given to people who have played the game.

Former players can at least tell when someone is acting! As for "former referees" I don't mean that clown BT use because he hasn't got a clue!

 

[AndyWolves]

Independent of the PGMOL (which shouldn't be a company anyway).

Other countries officials would be the simplest and easiest way to go as they are independent.

Or

There are football analysts who work with software who could be independent of the PGMOL which would give the ref the ultimate say on the pitch (VAR only recommends).

Either way the PGMOL should not be involved.

We'd need consistency with our rules are interpreted which would be an excellent thing.

Is there an argument that match officials should be organised under FIFA or something rather than each country interpreting the rules

 

[leedswolf]

How can rugby and cricket do it so well and football so badly?

Firstly, they go by the onfield decision unless there is compelling evidence to suggest an error is made. In rugby league, for example, a referee will call a try with consultation with the touch judges. If the ref is uncertain he may give a try subject to the video ref confirming the ball was grounded correctly. The video ref then has to find compelling evidence that it wasn't and if not goes with the onfield decision. Strangely enough lines drawn on a screen are not used to determine offside by the video ref.

 

[Jabbawolf]

Firstly, they go by the onfield decision unless there is compelling evidence to suggest an error is made. In rugby league, for example, a referee will call a try with consultation with the touch judges. If the ref is uncertain he may give a try subject to the video ref confirming the ball was grounded correctly. The video ref then has to find compelling evidence that it wasn't and if not goes with the onfield decision. Strangely enough lines drawn on a screen are not used to determine offside by the video ref.

Yes, Phil, and forward passes are judged by the eye not by loads of lines - not obvious, let it go.

 

[Tony Towner]

Brentford Vs Bournemouth is a cracking game. Thomas Frank is a bit unhinged

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Chews with his mouth open, I'd sack him in the morning for that.

 

[AndyWolves]

Bournemouth right in the shit.

Next goal wins (you know what I mean!)

 

[Freddeno]

come on Brentford, hope they get through to the final

 

[Freddeno]

yeah, Brentford scores..nice