Jeremy Corbyn

[Dire Wolf]

Lets hope he does the right thing and gets rid of the anti-semites.

How many of them are there and who are they?

 

[Templeton Peck]

How many of them are there and who are they?

0.3% of the party or 1/3 if you believe the papers.

 

[Paul]

0.3% of the party or 1/3 if you believe the papers.

Do you not think its a lot more than the one figure and a lot less than the other, I know it doesn't fit your agenda for it to be more than 0.3%, but surely there wouldn't be this much furore over such a negligible number of incidents ?

 

[Dire Wolf]

0.3% of the party or 1/3 if you believe the papers.

I wonder what percentage of the Tory Party are racist/anti-semitic/anti-Islamic? Guarantee it's a lot higher than either 0.3% or even 1/3. Wonder why this is never an issue raised in the media?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Do you not think its a lot more than the one figure and a lot less than the other, I know it doesn't fit your agenda for it to be more than 0.3%, but surely there wouldn't be this much furore over such a negligible number of incidents ?

That's sort of my point. The British public think about 30% of benefits are fraudulently claimed. The real figure is less than 1%.

 

[Paul]

I was kind of semi agreeing with you (first time in 10 years ) I tend to think all real figures fall somewhere between the extremes quoted, always dependant on what argument you're trying to prove, for example you cannot quote 'real figures' for benefit fraud unless you have a significant section of benefit claimants admit to it, which I doubt they would ?

 

[Templeton Peck]

I was kind of semi agreeing with you (first time in 10 years ) I tend to think all real figures fall somewhere between the extremes quoted, always dependant on what argument you're trying to prove, for example you cannot quote 'real figures' for benefit fraud unless you have a significant section of benefit claimants admit to it, which I doubt they would ?

Even if you doubled that though you're some way off public perception!

On a similar note it's a bit like how we never hear about how much in benefits are left unclaimed every year. It doesn't suit the narrative so it's ignored.

 

[Paul]

Oh yes, but my political skepticism is based purely on Yes Minister

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Do you not think its a lot more than the one figure and a lot less than the other, I know it doesn't fit your agenda for it to be more than 0.3%, but surely there wouldn't be this much furore over such a negligible number of incidents ?

Was saying this to a friend last night, that Corbyn has become a victim of spin from not just the Tories but his own parties too.
He has been made the poster child for all Labours recent problems, on the basis of an over exaggerated issue. Because Corbyn is naive politically, he didn't nip it in the bud sooner, as Starmer seems to be doing.
So Jezzer has been undone by his own honesty and failure to understand that this issue has been weaponized and it was never going to go away without him being contrite and apologising for not taking it more seriously

 

[Tredman]

Amazing how someone who actively tweets anti-Semitic material and supports anti-semites is always the victim of unfortunate reporting. Odd.

 

[Paul]

I was going to say do you also think the problem is under estimated as the people who downplay it seem to be the Corbyn faithful, every now and again when someone posts on the JC Facebook page the following pitchfork mob is astounding, I used to smirk at the 'cult of Corbyn' tag, but it is true, the bloke is a 'rock star' of politics, he seems to have a lot of middle aged women fans (?) and the mantra of 'the best prime minister we never had'

 

[Templeton Peck]

I was going to say do you also think the problem is under estimated as the people who downplay it seem to be the Corbyn faithful, every now and again when someone posts on the JC Facebook page the following pitchfork mob is astounding, I used to smirk at the 'cult of Corbyn' tag, but it is true, the bloke is a 'rock star' of politics, he seems to have a lot of middle aged women fans (?) and the mantra of 'the best prime minister we never had'

It's clearly over estimated as the public perception is completely divorced from the reality. The EHRC report was based on 2 actionable cases. Two too many for sure, but two.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I wonder what percentage of the Tory Party are racist/anti-semitic/anti-Islamic? Guarantee it's a lot higher than either 0.3% or even 1/3. Wonder why this is never an issue raised

Totally.

 

[Paul]

In the 12 months ending March 2019, the number of defendants prosecuted at magistrates’ courts was 1.3 million. is that all the crimes that were committed ?

 

[Paul]

I wonder what percentage of the Tory Party are racist/anti-semitic/anti-Islamic? Guarantee it's a lot higher than either 0.3% or even 1/3. Wonder why this is never an issue raised in the media?

If it isn't how do you know about it ??

 

[Dire Wolf]

If it isn't how do you know about it ??

Are you trying to pretend that Tories, notoriously right wing, aren't racist? It isn't being made into an issue by the right wing controlled media, that doesn't mean it isn't happening nor reported by other media sources.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Amazing how someone who actively tweets anti-Semitic material and supports anti-semites is always the victim of unfortunate reporting. Odd.

I'm not sure you understand the difference between anti-semitism and being anti the Israeli state. They are not the same. Calling the Israeli state oppressive and brutal is not anti-semitic. Calling a Jewish businessman a greedy, hook-nosed thief is... Know the difference. Israel as a state is a vile, oppressive regime on a par with apartheid South Africa and deserves every criticism it gets.

 

[Paul]

Are you trying to pretend that Tories, notoriously right wing, aren't racist? It isn't being made into an issue by the right wing controlled media, that doesn't mean it isn't happening nor reported by other media sources.

No not in the slightest, but when discussing issues in the labour party someone always has to come up with the "Ah but the Tories" defence, because that makes it right, doesn't it

 

[Tredman]

I'm not sure you understand the difference between anti-semitism and being anti the Israeli state. They are not the same. Calling the Israeli state oppressive and brutal is not anti-semitic. Calling a Jewish businessman a greedy, hook-nosed thief is... Know the difference. Israel as a state is a vile, oppressive regime on a par with apartheid South Africa and deserves every criticism it gets.

You mean a greedy hook nosed thief as in this mural:

Corbyn in antisemitism row after backing artist behind 'offensive' mural

Labour leader offered support on Facebook in 2012 to artist whose work featured antisemitic tropes

www.theguardian.com

I’ve been to Israel a good few times and Jordan and other counties in the region, this is no need to patronise me about the behaviour from Israel

 

[Dire Wolf]

You mean a greedy hook nosed thief as in this mural:

Corbyn in antisemitism row after backing artist behind 'offensive' mural

Labour leader offered support on Facebook in 2012 to artist whose work featured antisemitic tropes

www.theguardian.com

I’ve been to Israel a good few times and Jordan and other counties in the region, this is no need to patronise me about the behaviour from Israel

Did you actually read that report fully? He condemns antisemitism, apologises for defending the artist on free speech grounds and left a pro Palestine group on the grounds of anti-semitic posts within the group. So yes, what a terrible, anti-semitic, racist he is. Hang the man...