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"Oh fuck, they're pissed off about the prices, throw em a bone"
It actually feels more like a good piece from Liam Keen, who's had the nous to do some proper research!

Dare I say that he's been very impressive in his first month in the job. Instead of just waiting for crumbs from the club, he's gone out in an attempt to actually find stories.
 
Fosun's biggest hold over the council would be if they threatened to move out of the City and into Staffs somewhere. If they believed that to be credible they'd bend over backwards to keep them imo

A cut and carve to the SB would be painful but may reduce overall costs and give an increase required, the big problem is that this would present risk that no one in the current market would be daft enough to take on. For an example of badly allocated risk on a cut and carve project see the Civic Hall budget, where the Council took all risk, without doing their homework first (they've only owned it for 90 years, you would have thought someone might have known a few of the issues)

I think Liam reads this forum and had a few conversations with the Council, and a brief conversation with Jeff who pretty much states the Ground is at the bottom of the list.

I could see the 'ongoing' discussions being driven by the Council as TT points out, they would be keen for them to remain. From experience they aren't a clear collective on the Council and don't really understand business or what they want, but I give them credit enough to realise what Wolves bring to the City.
 
Hasnt it been discussed previously of building behind the South bank then connecting it to the current structure once it’s near enough built?

Also it’s the Steve Bull Upper that needs the attention as there’s not enough Turnstiles to handle the footfall before kick off.
 
Corbeanu came on for the last 20 for Canada against Mexico in gold cup semis. They lost to an injury time penalty I think. Good experience for him though
 
Thanks for the response TT.

I think maybe the reason we seem to be disagreeing is because we are taking different factors into account.

Your first point about Neto, he was a relative unknown at the time we signed him. You can't say the same about Fabio. Google Fabio's name and there are articles from before we signed him about how he's breaking records in Portuguese youth football. One coach comparing him to Ronaldo when he was 15. Fabio scored 33 goals in 39 games playing for Porto's under 19's, when he was 16.

I'll give you Neto and Fabio had comparable first team experience when we signed them (very little), but their youth careers are worlds apart. Obviously when signing very young players, their youth careers are really the only thing you can go on.

So the idea we could have got Fabio for anywhere near 16m is fanciful IMO, it just wouldn't have happened. So if we couldn't have got him for anywhere 16m, should we have paid 35? This is where it seems the other factors come into play for you, i.e., our overall budget, the relative size of our club and the state of our playing squad.

This is where I actually agree with you, is it wise for Wolves at stage they are at, to be gambling 35m on potential when there are other areas of the team that need improving, or even other strikers that we could get for similar money that would have an instant impact? I would say no. So if that's the way you are defining whether we overpaid, we agree.

Presumably if a massive club had paid what we had, you wouldn't necessarily view that as an overpayment?

As PuntsWolf mentioned inflation, I looked up how much transfers have gone up over the years. There's a good website that tells you how much players would have cost in today's money taking into account transfer fee inflation (obvs that has far outpaced normal inflation)

Ronaldo cost Man U £17m in 2003, today that would have been £71m. Double what we paid for Fabio. Bearing in mind, Ronaldo had hardly played senior football at that time, just broke alot of records in youth football, just like Fabio. Fabio also had a better goals per minutes ratio in senior football at the same age as Ronaldo. People forget but Ronaldo wasn't that good for the first few years at Utd. People will say yes but it was obvious something was there, fair enough, but if he'd had stayed at that level, you'd have to had said that Utd had overpaid.

So basically we have paid half of what Utd paid for Ronaldo (taking into account transfer fee inflation), who had a nearly identical record to Fabio at the same age. If Fabio turns out to be half the player Ronaldo has been, I don't believe 35m was overpriced.
I agree with all this, also add into the figures, Silva is a Goal Scorer, in his position with the finishing I have seen in Matches and Training I expect him to score a lot more goals than Ronaldo.

Goal Scorers are a lot harder to find and cost a lot more to buy.

I have watched a fair bit of training not only Videos but in Person.
I keep moaning that our finishing including Raul, is fucking shoddy, careless and shite in training.
I have seen that on the pitch where we have missed glorious opportunities.

1 person stands out in training for finishing he hardly if ever misses the target, if he fails to score it's always down to a very good save. That is Silva his positioning and finishing is such a delight to watch, he has one thing you cannot coach, the ball will always find him in the box.
His main issue in the games has been due to inexperience he just tenses up, the times he did not tense, he finished Sublimely.

I expect him to become a great goal scorer, that alone will see him command massive fees.
 
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I agree with all this, also add into the figures, Silva is a Goal Scorer, in his position with the finishing I have seen in Matches and Training I expect him to score a lot more goals than Ronaldo.

Goal Scorers are a lot harder to find and cost a lot more to buy.

I have watched a fair bit of training not only Videos but in Person.
I keep moaning that our finishing including Raul, is fucking shoddy, careless and shite in training.
I have seen that on the pitch where we have missed glorious opportunities.

1 person stands out in training for finishing he hardly if ever misses the target, if he fails to score it's always down to a very good save. That is Silva his positioning and finishing is such a delight to watch, he has one thing you cannot coach, the ball will always find him in the box.
His main issue in the games has been due to inexperience he just tenses up, the times he did not tense, he finished Sublimely.

I expect him to become a great goal scorer, that alone will see him command massive fees.
Thanks mate. If Fabio scores alot more goals than Ronaldo in his career though, I will eat my hat. Ronaldo has scored over 700 career goals, even if Fabio scores half that he'll be one of the best strikers ever. Ronaldo is literally a freak of nature.

My point really was that at the same ages, Fabio and Ronaldo were comparable in terms of their stats up to that point, and that's all there really was to go on.

You can make the argument that youth football is totally irrelevant, but it's not really. Sure there are loads of youth players who were awesome and then never realised their potential, but if it was totally irrelevant clubs wouldn't spend all the money they do scouting youth players. All of the greats down the years didn't wake up on their 18th birthdays and think fuck me, I can suddenly play a bit.

If Ronaldo was 18 today, someone would pay over 70 million for him. So I don't think it's lacking common sense to say 17 then is 70 now. That's literally how inflation works.

I'm really really sorry I just can't help myself.
 
I agree with all this, also add into the figures, Silva is a Goal Scorer, in his position with the finishing I have seen in Matches and Training I expect him to score a lot more goals than Ronaldo.

Goal Scorers are a lot harder to find and cost a lot more to buy.

I have watched a fair bit of training not only Videos but in Person.
I keep moaning that our finishing including Raul, is fucking shoddy, careless and shite in training.
I have seen that on the pitch where we have missed glorious opportunities.

1 person stands out in training for finishing he hardly if ever misses the target, if he fails to score it's always down to a very good save. That is Silva his positioning and finishing is such a delight to watch, he has one thing you cannot coach, the ball will always find him in the box.
His main issue in the games has been due to inexperience he just tenses up, the times he did not tense, he finished Sublimely.

I expect him to become a great goal scorer, that alone will see him command massive fees.
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If he ends up there then I don't think we've overpaid
Those five players are super human, after Ronaldo and Messi I cant see any outrageous goal tallies in the near future, not even from Haaland or co. Lewandowski has only had his glory years in the last 5 odd years..
 
Those five players are super human, after Ronaldo and Messi I cant see any outrageous goal tallies in the near future, not even from Haaland or co. Lewandowski has only had his glory years in the last 5 odd years..
Agreed, I was being a bit tongue in cheek
 
Those five players are super human, after Ronaldo and Messi I cant see any outrageous goal tallies in the near future, not even from Haaland or co. Lewandowski has only had his glory years in the last 5 odd years..
Can't be knocking Lewandowski like that, he's been at Bayern over 5 years and he already had a great record before that to make them interested.
 
Can't be knocking Lewandowski like that, he's been at Bayern over 5 years and he already had a great record before that to make them interested.
More saying even a player of his stature cant touch any of those five, Ronaldo and Messi have scored goals for fun since the age of 18...
 
I know Fabio has just been done to death (again), but I wanted to add my opinion based on last nights NBA draft! Transfers and draft picks are always a risk, and every team in every sport makes mistakes. Young players in particular can be a nightmare to evaluate. In the NFL some choices seem 100% nailed on perfect but end up as catastrophes (JaMarcus Russell), other times an absolute superstar appears out of nowhere (Tom Brady).

So last night the San Antonio Spurs had their highest draft pick in years, and chose Joshua Primo, the youngest player in the draft, who was predicted to go around 30th. The Spurs took him 12th. It was the biggest shock of the night and the decision was universally panned.

I have no idea whether he will turn out to be a good choice or not. But the Spurs obviously think so, they have seen something that they decided made him a better selection than any of the more mature and established players available. They must have decided that if they didn't select him, then another team would have and soon. They also took a long term view - that in two or three years he will be a better player (and fit for the team) than anyone else they could have taken. If they are right, great. If they are wrong, it was a calculated gamble and that's life.

I was as excited as anyone when Wolves signed Fabio. We had to buy him when we did. Another season in Portugal and he may have been snapped up by a much bigger team. If he is as good as predicted, then it was now or never. And if thirty five million is what it takes, then go for it.

In hindsight he cost too much and we put all our eggs in one basket. We all thought we needed a back up for Raul - someone who would hardly play. What we really needed was someone who would contribute straight away.

Fabio could still come good and if he doesn't then we will probably still recoup much of what we paid. Right now it looks like a poor decision. Five million would have been plenty. Rhiann Brewster could not have been much worse. It was a big risk for an ambitious club but that's life.
 
I know Fabio has just been done to death (again), but I wanted to add my opinion based on last nights NBA draft! Transfers and draft picks are always a risk, and every team in every sport makes mistakes. Young players in particular can be a nightmare to evaluate. In the NFL some choices seem 100% nailed on perfect but end up as catastrophes (JaMarcus Russell), other times an absolute superstar appears out of nowhere (Tom Brady).

So last night the San Antonio Spurs had their highest draft pick in years, and chose Joshua Primo, the youngest player in the draft, who was predicted to go around 30th. The Spurs took him 12th. It was the biggest shock of the night and the decision was universally panned.

I have no idea whether he will turn out to be a good choice or not. But the Spurs obviously think so, they have seen something that they decided made him a better selection than any of the more mature and established players available. They must have decided that if they didn't select him, then another team would have and soon. They also took a long term view - that in two or three years he will be a better player (and fit for the team) than anyone else they could have taken. If they are right, great. If they are wrong, it was a calculated gamble and that's life.

I was as excited as anyone when Wolves signed Fabio. We had to buy him when we did. Another season in Portugal and he may have been snapped up by a much bigger team. If he is as good as predicted, then it was now or never. And if thirty five million is what it takes, then go for it.

In hindsight he cost too much and we put all our eggs in one basket. We all thought we needed a back up for Raul - someone who would hardly play. What we really needed was someone who would contribute straight away.

Fabio could still come good and if he doesn't then we will probably still recoup much of what we paid. Right now it looks like a poor decision. Five million would have been plenty. Rhiann Brewster could not have been much worse. It was a big risk for an ambitious club but that's life.
Spot on mate. That team has taken a risk based on Joshua Primos youth career, as that's all they had to go on. Whether it pays off remains to be seen.

Was it a good decision to spend all that money as a back up to our only striker? Probably not. But then who would have realistically predicted the accident that happened. And which 35 million pound striker is going to want to come and be a back in a mid table Premier League team? I can't think of many to be honest.

I wouldn't write Fabio off yet, yes you could say he was shit last year but he was so obviously a child playing a men's game. It'll be a few years before we see how good he is. It was only a freak accident that meant he even played any significant part. 9 seasons out of a 10 we'd be judging him based on a few substitute appearances here and there.

It's totally logical to judge young players who haven't had the chance to play senior football on their youth careers, with the obvious caveat that alot of young players don't realise their potential, so signing them will always be a gamble.

If it was totally irrelevant you'd choose Emile Heskey over a 16 year old Lionel Messi, just because Messi hasn't done anything in the senior game yet. Total nonsense.
 
Now that's two totally separate arguments. Fabio, whatever, but not having an alternative to Raul post selling Jota, that's inexcusable. Walked into trouble there. It didn't need to be a £35m alternative, just an alternative
 
Now that's two totally separate arguments. Fabio, whatever, but not having an alternative to Raul post selling Jota, that's inexcusable. Walked into trouble there. It didn't need to be a £35m alternative, just an alternative
I think we got complacent. 3 amazing seasons and everything was coming off perfectly. The lack of injuries was very fortunate, and I think we grew accustomed to it. We made a judgement call that Neto, Adama, Jimenez, Fabio and Podence would enough from an attacking perspective. Made sense if they stayed fit but, of course, we saw what happened when they didn't.

Sadly, our paltry attacking output was the culmination of chickens coming home to roost!
 
Corbeanu came on for the last 20 for Canada against Mexico in gold cup semis. They lost to an injury time penalty I think. Good experience for him though
A small corrective. The goal in injury time was not a penalty, that came earlier and was saved. It was quite a game. The Canadians took it to the Mexicans (2-3 melees when they wouldn't back down) but narrowly lost in the end. Corbeanu again made a good cameo and continues to improve all the time. He'll be ready for the first team in a couple of years. He's one for the future.
 
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