General Wolves News

[Wilf Wolf]

You think Championship Leeds are a more attractive proposition to someone wanting a Prem team?

By Christmas there’s every chance the odds of Leeds being a PL team will be much better than those for Wolves.

 

[big mean bunny]

By Christmas one of those will still be a Prem team regardless and one will be in a league that is notoriously difficult to get out of at times. That was my point. I get the risk with Wolves but one of them is a short term project to prop up initially.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

By Christmas one of those will still be a Prem team regardless and one will be in a league that is notoriously difficult to get out of at times. That was my point. I get the risk with Wolves but one of them is a short term project to prop up initially.

There’s every chance there won’t be enough props though. I’d happily bet even now Dirty Leeds are more likely to be playing PL football than we are next season.

 

[Tony Towner]

Bizarrely in my view, bookies still have us staying up at the expense of Leicester,.despite essentially giving then an 8 point start.The it's all going to come good eventually narrative seems to extend everywhere except for most of the fanbase.

 

[Mel Evo]

Bizarrely in my view, bookies still have us staying up at the expense of Leicester,.despite essentially giving then an 8 point start.The it's all going to come good eventually narrative seems to extend everywhere except for most of the fanbase.

Everywhere with people who don’t watch us. It’s impossible to sit through the games and think things are fine. It’s not like there has been any change since August, no deterioration, no improvement, just consistent compelling evidence that we don’t know what we’re doing.

 

[Jinky]

It’s because we’re scoring goals and I think most people (who don’t watch us) assume we’ll eventually improve at the back. We’re more established, have more household known players etc. They are ignorant of the circumstances and actual performances.

Of course, anyone with eyes who’s actually seen us under Gary O’Neil know better.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Exactly. There seems to be this assumption that we will keep the scoring rate up while shutting the door at the back, plus the "tough start from the fixture computer" element is pushed as an excuse for where we are. I think that is both simplistic and optimistic.

 

[prawnking]

Win tonight and they can go top, win on Saturday and we are still in the relegation zone. Deal wouldn't be sanctioned until the Jan window closing so can't do anything this season. Bigger club, own their own ground, they aren't up for sale as the 49ers have only just bought them, but it's not much of a stretch to say yes.

Leeds aren't a bigger club than us, and plenty of teams have been in auto promotion slots pre-Christmas and then ended up shitting the bed in the play offs before the season is out

 

[Tony Towner]

Leeds aren't a bigger club than us, and plenty of teams have been in auto promotion slots pre-Christmas and then ended up shitting the bed in the play offs before the season is out

They are and it's not particularly close. Bigger stadium, larger fan base

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Trophies won says otherwise.

The measurement of club size is quite possibly one of the great circular arguments of the internet!

 

[prawnking]

They are and it's not particularly close. Bigger stadium, larger fan base

I think their heads are pretty big from my experience. 20 years out of the top flight in recent times kills it for me, and their honours are no more impressive than ours, but there are arguments for both sides. Don't think it's definitive though

 

[Tony Towner]

I think their heads are pretty big from my experience. 20 years out of the top flight in recent times kills it for me, and their honours are no more impressive than ours, but there are arguments for both sides. Don't think it's definitive though

As Paddy says it can be circular, but the fanbase does it for me. Theirs doesn't drop off when they are shit in the way ours does, despite their pricing being obscene. They also sell out away allocations in a way that we don't irrespective of on field performance. No way they'd have left seats unsold at Brighton if they were in the same position as us.

I doubt many none Wolves or Leeds fans would suggest we are bigger unless the only metric you are judging against is the current league you are playing in.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

From the Championship, I would say both Leeds and Sunderland are bigger clubs than us.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The measurement of club size is quite possibly one of the great circular arguments of the internet!

You’ve hit the nail on the head! Invariably you get fans from clubs that are generally perceived to be smaller hanging onto to one small branch, in our case it’s the 1950s. I think the ability to sell away tickets is a pretty good yardstick as mentioned above.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The problem is, taking Newcastle as an example, the size of the following is obviously very impressive, and I would happily concede that they are a bigger club than ourselves (that wouldn't be particularly close), but you will see people willing to die on that hill by arguing that Newcastle obviously haven't won anything since Jesus was in short trousers. And the same argument applies to Sunderland because their league titles are beyond living memory and they have had their ups and downs in the century since.

And I am sure that most fans of other clubs look at us and say, bar the halcyon period under Cullis, which was A LONG TIME AGO, the achievements amount to two league cups, a few semi-finals, and a UEFA cup final. We may have been the best, but it was a long time ago now.

I just find it difficult to hit upon a satisfactory solution to the "size of club" arguments that fire back and forth, bar the fact that there are three REALLY big clubs in Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal, and no current or recent money-doped achievements by either Manchester City or Chelsea are getting them into that league.

For teams below that level you can see endless arguments flying about. I'm not sure they are really that relevant in this age where you have the clubs regularly in the Champions League places, and the rest of the top division starts in August with aspirations of maybe sneaking into the Europa Conference with luck and a fair wind to their sails, or more certainly, aiming for forty points to remain on the gravy train.

 

[Del Woppio]

How "big" a club is doesn't matter to prospective owners. How many fans can I get through the door, what's the ceiling for that, and how much can I charge them are all they care about.

 

[big mean bunny]

Some of it is likely cost, but we have seen Bournemouth and Burnley been seen as desired clubs to buy over Leeds.

 

[Tony Towner]

Some of it is likely cost, but we have seen Bournemouth and Burnley been seen as desired clubs to buy over Leeds.

We haven't, 49ers first invested in 2018 with the agreement that they would eventually increase to the majority which they did last year with a post relegation discount

 

[big mean bunny]

Have we actually been for sale though? I don't feel like we had due to the amount of linked use of the brand and the Esports stuff they have done and continued to do.

 

[AndyWolves]

Have we actually been for sale though? I don't feel like we had due to the amount of linked use of the brand and the Esports stuff they have done and continued to do.

Thats a really sticky bit, who actually owns the wolves brand and would it be included with any sale? Or would any prospective owner have to pay fosun sports group to use wolves branding.