General Wolves News

[Del Woppio]

Fraser is young but I don't by into "too young." How else is the guy supposed to develop unless he plays in the team in the Prem? We send far too many out on loan who never make it. Unless we see him as just another income stream via loan fees and eventually a transfer fee, then I'd say, play him when the opportunity presents itself. We'll then see if he can do it. Personally, I'd like to see it. We played Flavio after all.

On Fraser. Would you buy him and play him based on his record? Of course not. Just because he's in the building doesn't mean he's an option. He's played fewer than 180 minutes of men's football in his whole life. He needs a loan to develop. His current situation is actually holding his development back.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

On Fraser. Would you buy him and play him based on his record? Of course not. Just because he's in the building doesn't mean he's an option. He's played fewer than 180 minutes of men's football in his whole life. He needs a loan to develop. His current situation is actually holding his development back.

Love the certainty of this claim, like no-one has ever made it without going out on loan prior to breaking through.

Not everyone learns and improves in the same way so you need to tailor their development to suit their needs. Perhaps the club have looked at Fraser over the years and think he'd be better suited to staying around being exposed to a better standard of coaching amongst a better quality of player than sacrificing that for a few extra minutes on a Saturday afternoon?

 

[Wilf Wolf]

On Fraser. Would you buy him and play him based on his record? Of course not. Just because he's in the building doesn't mean he's an option. He's played fewer than 180 minutes of men's football in his whole life. He needs a loan to develop. His current situation is actually holding his development back.

Needs must at the moment I guess. A loan next season seems likely, not many teenagers are like Keane and Rooney and able to go directly into the first team. Keane started in Division 2 though I’ve no doubt he’d have been up to top flight football even at 17.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Love the certainty of this claim, like no-one has ever made it without going out on loan prior to breaking through.

Not everyone learns and improves in the same way so you need to tailor their development to suit their needs. Perhaps the club have looked at Fraser over the years and think he'd be better suited to staying around being exposed to a better standard of coaching amongst a better quality of player than sacrificing that for a few extra minutes on a Saturday afternoon?

The club thought a loan to Shrewsbury was a good idea!

 

[Johnny75]

Love the certainty of this claim, like no-one has ever made it without going out on loan prior to breaking through.

Harry Kane says hi.

 

[Del Woppio]

Love the certainty of this claim, like no-one has ever made it without going out on loan prior to breaking through.

Not everyone learns and improves in the same way so you need to tailor their development to suit their needs. Perhaps the club have looked at Fraser over the years and think he'd be better suited to staying around being exposed to a better standard of coaching amongst a better quality of player than sacrificing that for a few extra minutes on a Saturday afternoon?

Well they wanted to send him out on loan but couldn't recruit.

It's a conversation, it shouldn't need fucking smallprint, but if you insist.

Loans may or may not be successful, and Premier League readiness and player value can go down as well as up. Training facilities may vary. A loan may not be appropriate in all cases. The poster accepts no liability for aggravation caused by their opinion, and post does not constitute advice. Author's own views are not endorsed or underwritten by TWF Inc. All decisions made at your own risk.

 

[AndyWolves]

Surely it's fairly accepted now that people develop by facing harder and harder challenges incrementally. Fraser has "done" the academy challenges now and needs the next level up

There are, of course, exceptions where players are ready to go straight into PL squads at 18-21 and are able to make contributions.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Beckham went to Preston. Kane had a couple of loan periods. It’s not all like Owen hitting the Liverpool first team at 17

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well they wanted to send him out on loan but couldn't recruit.

It's a conversation, it shouldn't need fucking smallprint, but if you insist.

Loans may or may not be successful, and Premier League readiness and player value can go down as well as up. Training facilities may vary. A loan may not be appropriate in all cases. The poster accepts no liability for aggravation caused by their opinion, and post does not constitute advice. Author's own views are not endorsed or underwritten by TWF Inc. All decisions made at your own risk.

You stated it as fact, it's not.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Beckham went to Preston. Kane had a couple of loan periods. It’s not all like Owen hitting the Liverpool first team at 17

Horses for courses, we don't know what Fraser needs.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Of course we don’t. I’m just saying that throwing him straight in the premier league might end up being sub optimal and some extremely good players have benefitted from well thought out loans when young. Whether we can do well thought out is right up for debate though

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Surely it's fairly accepted now that people develop by facing harder and harder challenges incrementally. Fraser has "done" the academy challenges now and needs the next level up

There are, of course, exceptions where players are ready to go straight into PL squads at 18-21 and are able to make contributions.

Some people crumble if exposed too some things too soon.

Not everyone reacts to the same challenges in the same way, different personalities deal with things differently. People have different shortcomings at different stages and need different stimulus to overcome them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's no right or wrong answer, but given the litany of absolutely shite loans we've seen over the last 15+ years (including for good players like Vokes or Ronan who ended up just wasting years of their career as a result) saying simply "he needs to go out" seems daft to me. It's not Football Manager.

Shrewsbury are the lowest scorers in League One, if he'd gone there, been in and out of a team that doesn't create anything (and make no mistake, if the manager is floundering for solutions in a bad run, it's the young kid on loan who gets dropped first, every time) and loses frequently, who does that help?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Some people crumble if exposed too some things too soon.

Not everyone reacts to the same challenges in the same way, different personalities deal with things differently. People have different shortcomings at different stages and need different stimulus to overcome them.

It's fair to say that the safer bet would be to introduce him to professional football at a lower level though isn't it?

 

[Del Woppio]

You stated it as fact, it's not.

So every post needs to be labelled with 'FACT' or 'imo'? Stop being weird, it's Saturday.

 

[Kenny]

it's Saturday.

FACT

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

For another 95 minutes or so it is. It’s Sunday for our new Kiwi member

 

[Kenny]

Oh, OK IMO then...

 

[Tony Towner]

So every post needs to be labelled with 'FACT' or 'imo'? Stop being weird, it's Saturday.

Like the day of the week makes a difference

 

[MARKakaJIM]

It's fair to say that the safer bet would be to introduce him to professional football at a lower level though isn't it?

Depends what areas they think he needs to improve in doesn't it? If they think he's short on tactical understanding wouldn't it be better to keep him around higher quality coaching?