Fulham (H) build up

[Tony Towner]

The team I'd like to see posts are pretty redundant. (CBJ, Tex, Silvio etc), so I'll go for the team I'd like to see in a realistic world which would be the same as Thursday, but Price for Coady and Hause for Stearman

 

[Carrotdude]

Price for Coady and Hause for Stearman are the changes I expect from Thursday. Hopefully they can take some confidence from finally winning a game and put on an improved performance. My worry is that we're still reliant on getting the ball to Costa and hoping he does something magic rather than any actual style/pattern of play.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It will almost certainly be the same team as QPR assuming everyone is fit, I really don't understand the clamour for Evans, he was good in Div 1 and first few games when we came back up but since then I've not seen him have one good game, I know he had a good spell on loan and would love him to come in and prove me wrong but from the times I've seen him he has the pace and mobility of Doherty, can't tackle and has poor positional awareness, yes he can hit some excellent passes but overall just isn't good enough for this league.

He is 100 times the player that bloody price is.

 

[sycophantia]

He is 100 times the player that bloody price is.

I can only go on what I've seen, which admittedly is only half a dozen games in the Champ, and he was very poor, I've seen Price a few more times and he has been a mixture of poor, OK and a couple of good games. I accept I don't get to as many games as many on here so maybe I've just been unlucky. I'm not against giving him a few more chances, maybe he has improved while away on loan

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

To be fair they are different styles. Price is a tackle and short distribution sort of player. Evans is more of an elegant spray the ball around type. Neither are really that good.

 

[SouthWestWolf]

To be fair they are different styles. Price is a tackle and short distribution sort of player. Evans is more of an elegant spray the ball around type. Neither are really that good.

Nail hit on head.

 

[sycophantia]

To be fair they are different styles. Price is a tackle and short distribution sort of player. Evans is more of an elegant spray the ball around type. Neither are really that good.

Yep that's a good point, but assuming we carry on playing with 3 central midfielder, not sure you can fit him in, Saiss has to play for me, like it or not Edwards is one of the first names on the team sheet, if you add Evans into that you will be overun, just think Price would give more balance

 

[slink]

Evans in the few games that he played earlier in the season had improved massively off the ball and it was him that was winning the ball in front of the back 4. His main problem has always been his choice of pass because he can play them all just tries the spectacular pass too often. I think next to Saiss he would be fit in well.

 

[Mixu]

.................Ikeme...................

Iorfa.....Batth.....Hause.....Doherty.

...........Coady......Saiss...............

..................Teixeira............

Costa........Bodvarsson...........Cav.....

Don't think Doherty deserves to be dropped for someone who's not played in about two months. Would keep Coady in, thought him and Saiss worked very well together on Thursday night. I know Edwards won't get dropped, but I'd love to see Teixeira drifting around behind the front three, seeing as we're at home. Dicko's not worth a place in the team on current form, and if you're starting with Teixeira that gives Bodvarsson three creative players to lay the ball off too, rather than just Costa like he had against Wednesday.

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

People debating who should be playing next to Saiss aren't realising in the 433 that we deployed the other night you only have one holding player, with two box-to-box in front of him. Coady therefore plays ahead of Price because of that specific midfield role.
Unless you want to play a 4231 but then there's no way we have a good enough number 10 at the moment for where we are.
Stick with the current shape as it allows Costa and Cav slightly more attacking freedom and also has Saiss in his natural role, right in front of the back four.

 

[slink]

People debating who should be playing next to Saiss aren't realising in the 433 that we deployed the other night you only have one holding player, with two box-to-box in front of him. Coady therefore plays ahead of Price because of that specific midfield role.
Unless you want to play a 4231 but then there's no way we have a good enough number 10 at the moment for where we are.
Stick with the current shape as it allows Costa and Cav slightly more attacking freedom and also has Saiss in his natural role, right in front of the back four.

Problem with the formation is that it means that Dave and Coady have to play right now and having those 2 in midfield kills so much when we have the ball and the amount of times they both press when we are unorganised is so frustrating as they commit themselves and are out of the game a lot. Teix is the only player who might be capable of playing the 10 we have but he's not really played there yet so we don't really know. Agree that this formation gives Cav and Costa a chance to make the pitch wide and have freedom but we do need to find at least 1 other central midfielder to play one of the box to box roles but ideally we would find 2.

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

Problem with the formation is that it means that Dave and Coady have to play right now and having those 2 in midfield kills so much when we have the ball and the amount of times they both press when we are unorganised is so frustrating as they commit themselves and are out of the game a lot. Teix is the only player who might be capable of playing the 10 we have but he's not really played there yet so we don't really know. Agree that this formation gives Cav and Costa a chance to make the pitch wide and have freedom but we do need to find at least 1 other central midfielder to play one of the box to box roles but ideally we would find 2.

Couldn't agree more. Coady and Edwards bring much needed energy in those roles but a distinct lack of quality on the ball. Need one or two new midfield players in January. But for now this formation suits our better players and they can do a job. Prince and Ronan can compete with those two for now and Price and Saiss battle it out for the holding role.
My point was mainly people coming across like we played 4231 on Thursday (we didn't) and that Price could replace Coady like-for-like which isn't right.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Definitely back to 4-3-3 on Thursday and it was more like 4-4-1-1 against Sheff Wed.

 

[AndyWolves]

Having Coady and Edwards in the side means we have to go more direct. I think have Price and Tex means we could a more possession based approach. Whether our back line is capable is another question

I don't rate Prince at the moment

 

[Siggy]

I have been watching Price since youth level playing mostly in a central 2 and I think he has the ability to play box to box. We will get a different set of qualities to Coady however I don't think Coady offered much against QPR other than workrate (bit like Edwards without a goal, not great)

Price likes to move the ball quickly and I think this is something we desperately need the way we are playing at the moment, very little comes centrally (due to a woeful lack of creativity) so getting the ball to our wide players early is really important for us and Price is good at that.

I think the reason he may not get in over Coady is size & strength he does lose out in that department. My worry is that Saiss will be dropped to accommodate Price as it seems Lambert is going to stick him back in there. I know not everyone is on board with Saiss, but as much as I like Price he is not in the same league for that type of job.

On a side note the way we set up against QPR would be perfect for Prince when he is fit again, I pray we don't lump the poor sod on the wing again.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Saiss is a mile ahead of any other midfielder we have. He isn't being dropped for jack price this side of a ticket to the lunatic asylum for lambert.

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

I have been watching Price since youth level playing mostly in a central 2 and I think he has the ability to play box to box. We will get a different set of qualities to Coady however I don't think Coady offered much against QPR other than workrate (bit like Edwards without a goal, not great)

Price likes to move the ball quickly and I think this is something we desperately need the way we are playing at the moment, very little comes centrally (due to a woeful lack of creativity) so getting the ball to our wide players early is really important for us and Price is good at that.

I think the reason he may not get in over Coady is size & strength he does lose out in that department. My worry is that Saiss will be dropped to accommodate Price as it seems Lambert is going to stick him back in there. I know not everyone is on board with Saiss, but as much as I like Price he is not in the same league for that type of job.

On a side note the way we set up against QPR would be perfect for Prince when he is fit again, I pray we don't lump the poor sod on the wing again.

Jack Price is not a box-to-box midfield player. No forward threat to go with a lack of physical presence. Can only play a holding role at most at this level.

 

[Johnny75]

I have been watching Price since youth level playing mostly in a central 2 and I think he has the ability to play box to box. We will get a different set of qualities to Coady however I don't think Coady offered much against QPR other than workrate (bit like Edwards without a goal, not great)

Price likes to move the ball quickly and I think this is something we desperately need the way we are playing at the moment, very little comes centrally (due to a woeful lack of creativity) so getting the ball to our wide players early is really important for us and Price is good at that.

I think the reason he may not get in over Coady is size & strength he does lose out in that department. My worry is that Saiss will be dropped to accommodate Price as it seems Lambert is going to stick him back in there. I know not everyone is on board with Saiss, but as much as I like Price he is not in the same league for that type of job.

On a side note the way we set up against QPR would be perfect for Prince when he is fit again, I pray we don't lump the poor sod on the wing again.

I'd like to see Price add that more forward thinking to his game, he's a very good continuity player and keeps the tempo high so I don't see why he can't do that further forward. I agree about his physicality but he isn't afraid to get stuck in when needed but he isn't going to beat many in the air!

I'm not sure on Prince, he's a direct replacement for Edwards and Edwards is playing well and I've yet to be convinced Prince is any better on the ball than Edwards as a goal scoring number 10.

If, and it is a big if, both Price and Prince could prove the above bits to their game then we could solve our midfield problems, however it looks increasingly likely we need a replacement for Coady/ 2nd ball player, box-to-box type and that coupled with CB is the absolute priority this transfer window. Everything else is secondary.

 

[Siggy]

Jack Price is not a box-to-box midfield player. No forward threat to go with a lack of physical presence. Can only play a holding role at most at this level.

Lets put this into context, for now we don't have a creative midfielder or a true box to box (I am thinking in the Colin Cameron/Dave Jones mould) we have Coady and Edwards (forget Evans for a moment go knows what is going on there)

Coady and Edwards offer zero creativity and can't pass a football, Edwards might pop up with the odd goal and that is why he is in the team but Coady will offer nothing of an attacking threat just a physical presnce.

Price won't run with the ball but he will look to pick passes and get the ball where it needs to be quickly, for counter attacking football this is a good trait. Looking at how we set up against QPR and the possession stats we are very much setting up that way so I think there is a case to put him in there.

I wouldn't suggest for a minute that he is the long term solution to our midfield woes as a creative/box to box player but I do believe he has some qualities to make it work in this system for now.

Ideally come January I would like to see us go out and get someone to fill that void, I am still hopeful Prince will come good but we will need another irrespective IMO.

 

[Siggy]

I'd like to see Price add that more forward thinking to his game, he's a very good continuity player and keeps the tempo high so I don't see why he can't do that further forward. I agree about his physicality but he isn't afraid to get stuck in when needed but he isn't going to beat many in the air!

I'm not sure on Prince, he's a direct replacement for Edwards and Edwards is playing well and I've yet to be convinced Prince is any better on the ball than Edwards as a goal scoring number 10.

If, and it is a big if, both Price and Prince could prove the above bits to their game then we could solve our midfield problems, however it looks increasingly likely we need a replacement for Coady/ 2nd ball player, box-to-box type and that coupled with CB is the absolute priority this transfer window. Everything else is secondary.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that Johnny, I just hope those replacements want to come!