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But they don't spend all that money on direct lobbying of politicians do they?

You don't help your argument by being obtuse and deliberately evasive.
 
tredman said:
But they don't spend all that money on direct lobbying of politicians do they?

You don't help your argument by being obtuse and deliberately evasive.
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Sorry to forget the not in considerable lobbying by FoE, Greenpeace, WWF and numerous other 'green' NGOs. Government organisations such as the EPA certainly do lobby politically to boot.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
There is nothing ordinary or unambitious about the technology I develop and it is used by major OEMs the world over.
Notice that I quoted the fantasy of an earlier poster, surely that is not so hard to comprehend.
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I'm sure you're a world leading electrical engineer. Your answer bears no resemblance to the point I made which , to clarify, was about achieving what is seemingly impossible. You seem to work within a company/ industry defined construct. It is rare any engineers that work like this come up with industry changing technologies. They are more often than not due to outside influences and sometimes people not connected with that particular industry at all, especially as that industry may not exist at that point (Edison, Turing, Gates, Watt. Etc. Etc). It is often those that say it can't be done that suffer the most ridicule in them books of history.

Your simplistic nonsense that engineers only do things when ambition and risk are taken into account and only when globally scaled (?) is just that.

It is fantastical ideas that drive good businesses forward and constant reinvention is good for everybody, and to bring this back to the the tread, particularly the climate. Especially if we can get/ harness alternative power sources.

If we had 100% renewables across the globe and put no new CO2 into the atmosphere wouldn't this be good for both sides of the argument?
 
Johnny75 said:
I'm sure you're a world leading electrical engineer. Your answer bears no resemblance to the point I made which , to clarify, was about achieving what is seemingly impossible. You seem to work within a company/ industry defined construct. It is rare any engineers that work like this come up with industry changing technologies. They are more often than not due to outside influences and sometimes people not connected with that particular industry at all, especially as that industry may not exist at that point (Edison, Turing, Gates, Watt. Etc. Etc). It is often those that say it can't be done that suffer the most ridicule in them books of history.

Your simplistic nonsense that engineers only do things when ambition and risk are taken into account and only when globally scaled (?) is just that.

It is fantastical ideas that drive good businesses forward and constant reinvention is good for everybody, and to bring this back to the the tread, particularly the climate. Especially if we can get/ harness alternative power sources.

If we had 100% renewables across the globe and put no new CO2 into the atmosphere wouldn't this be good for both sides of the argument?
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Likely better technologies come along, no dispute there.
You seem to have aspiration to '100% renewable', how do you define that?
Do you include the materials we use for manufacture with an expanding aspirational population that might for once seek peace (OK that is far fetched). There is a lot of energy in the earth system but it needs a pragmatic approach to use it. Naturally occuring sources are relatively low energy density or difficult to utilise, indeed if we could harness atmospheric or ocean energy in a meaningful way it would necessarily a modification of the environment. Least impact is using and improving technology we have that is well characterised, for instance the internal combustion engine. That is not to say that other technologies should not be brought to the fore when they are proven to perform.
NB quite rightly the automotive and aerospace industries are conservative in terms of electronics technology, focused more on environmental tolerance, verification and redundancy.
 
Apparently some kind of breakthrough has been made with black silicon solar cells that allows for efficiency of higher than 22% even at "unforgiving" (read: far north/south) solar angles.

This makes black silicon cheaper and significantly more efficient than traditional solar cells while also allowing it to be feasibly installed in regions where previously it would have been nothing like economically feasible.

http://www.gizmag.com/black-silicon-solar-cell-efficiency-record/37579/
 
At least you're now conceding the accumulation of heat...thats progress, of a sort.
 
Do you all understand that HGW is pulling your chains.....and you let him/her.

HGW obviously doesn't work, in fact doesn't do anything. She/he is just an internet troll.
She/he lives in a dirty bedsit in some slum area and tries to make you think she is intelligent.

Don't feed the HGW......make this the last message.

Thread Closed.
 
Visage said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a-year-says-government-report-10286742.html

1700 extra deaths a year five years from now because of higher temperatures. Pretty amazing that something that doesnt exist can have that effect.....
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Speculative cobblers based on 'models', such speculation for decades in advance has been around for as long as I remember, none has come to pass.

michaels-102-ipcc-models-vs-reality.jpg
 
Visage said:
The earth receives more heat than it emits.
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You need to check UAH and RSS satellite series, there is variation of inbalance as one would expect. There is no suggestion of anything other than long term cyclical patterns just like you would expect in natural systems.
 
Hereford Wolf said:
Do you all understand that HGW is pulling your chains.....and you let him/her.

HGW obviously doesn't work, in fact doesn't do anything. She/he is just an internet troll.
She/he lives in a dirty bedsit in some slum area and tries to make you think she is intelligent.

Don't feed the HGW......make this the last message.

Thread Closed.
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I'm a bloke with genuine concern, you seem to be not keen to look at the real debate and accept the nonsense put out by the BBC and the Guardian.
 
... Both of which have considerably more credibility than the blogs you cite.
 
I should of course cite the predictive powers of the BBC and the Guardian with regard to our present government....
 
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