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Climate Change Debate

Visage said:
Self appointed by dint of actually studying the subject at hand with a track record of published, peer reviewed articles.

Compared with your chosen demagogues, who are appointed on the basis of a) having a 25 quid a year blog site and b) presenting opinions that match your own.
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I ask again, have you checked the credentials of Curry, Lewis or Stevens?
It isn't as black and white as you make out. You declined to answer many of my earlier posts.
 
Doctor Doog said:
And so proving you have no grasp of statistics either.
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I will not go into detail but I have rescued a few projects from so called academics. That is not to say I don't have regard for others. My assessment is that most meaningful research occurs within industry rather than universities.
 
Im not an SME on it. I know denialists are creaming themselves over the results, and there are a fair few question marks over the methodology, not least because it suggests that many historical climate events should never have happened.

It seems that its OK to be a bit slapdash if you have a ready cohort of cheerleaders willing to overlook it.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I will not go into detail but I have rescued a few projects from so called academics. That is not to say I don't have regard for others. My assessment is that most meaningful research occurs within industry rather than universities.
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Well you would say that, wouldnt you?
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I will not go into detail but I have rescued a few projects from so called academics. That is not to say I don't have regard for others. My assessment is that most meaningful research occurs within industry rather than universities.
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That assessment is so absurd as to boggle the mind. Research that has a vested interest in one result over another is more meaningful than research that has no such reward awaiting it?
 
Alan - havent you heard about all the billionaire climatologists running roughshod over those plucky upstart petroleum funded rebels?
 
Visage said:
Alan - havent you heard about all the billionaire climatologists running roughshod over those plucky upstart petroleum funded rebels?
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Joking aside, the thought is just baffling.

I don't know what most academic researchers are paid in the UK and Europe on the whole, but in the US you can probably expect to make ~$50,000 per year. Not much, in other words. This amount does not increase or decrease based on research results.

Industry, on the other hand, is very much dependent on the success of it's products, so there is of course a reason to bend research to fit the ends.

Not that you don't know this already. But to think that corporate research has more integrity than academic research confuses the bejeezus out of me. Better funded? Absolutely. Better analyzed? Almost certainly not.
 
You're missing the sole factor that plays on HGW's mind more than anything else though.

If the industry funded 'experts' are wrong, then so is he. And that is simply impossible.
 
Visage said:
You're missing the sole factor that plays on HGW's mind more than anything else though.

If the industry funded 'experts' are wrong, then so is he. And that is simply impossible.
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I mean, I get it. It's classic in-group psychology. Hell, if not for the same mental process then I wouldn't defend academic research like I do.

I don't know. I'm pretty flabbergasted at the moment.
 
Alan USA said:
Joking aside, the thought is just baffling.

I don't know what most academic researchers are paid in the UK and Europe on the whole, but in the US you can probably expect to make ~$50,000 per year. Not much, in other words. This amount does not increase or decrease based on research results.

Industry, on the other hand, is very much dependent on the success of it's products, so there is of course a reason to bend research to fit the ends.

Not that you don't know this already. But to think that corporate research has more integrity than academic research confuses the bejeezus out of me. Better funded? Absolutely. Better analyzed? Almost certainly not.
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Industry research is justified by the resulting products. If you want to make a lot of something you can bet it has been properly analysed, tested and fit for purpose.
 
Visage said:
You're missing the sole factor that plays on HGW's mind more than anything else though.

If the industry funded 'experts' are wrong, then so is he. And that is simply impossible.
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I don't agree with your chosen few, agreed. I and many who agree with the weekness of the IPCC case have no industry interest in mind only common sense. The idea that we can control a large complex chaotic non-linear system by varying a couple of trace gases is absurd. The increase in carbon dioxide could indeed be argued as beneficial, the so called warming effect is supposedly logarithmic afterall.
 
Bullshit. If you want to sell something you analyze it in a way that makes it sellable. "Industry's" record for cutting corners in the name of money speaks for itself.
 
A lovely gesture but not one most countries could follow. America wouldn't dare let anything happen in the Caribbean again.
 
Alan USA said:
A lovely gesture but not one most countries could follow. America wouldn't dare let anything happen in the Caribbean again.
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I won't drag the thread of topic with this - but suffice to say, they could do it, so they did and should be applauded for it. Like you say though, easier to do it with the USA security blanket.
 
So Long Architect said:
I won't drag the thread of topic with this - but suffice to say, they could do it, so they did and should be applauded for it. Like you say though, easier to do it with the USA security blanket.
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Yep, think we're on the same page.
 
Alan USA said:
Bullshit. If you want to sell something you analyze it in a way that makes it sellable. "Industry's" record for cutting corners in the name of money speaks for itself.
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That happens, soon they don't have a product, the green grab is not immune to that either, see Solyndra.
I would like to think that I act ethically from a professional perspective, there is no cheating physics in high reliability electronics.
 
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