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O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

My concern is we manage to stay just out of the bottom 3 (there are some really crap teams around us) till end of November, then find ourselves in the same position by Xmas as last season. No-one coming in is saving our arse then.
I'm already coming to terms with going to Championship games next season.
 
Far too many years suffering in the second tier and looking at the previous 2 relegations from the top flight and the pigs ear we made of both the following seasons.
The sun will still rise and the world will keep going if we go down and it’ll be like a return to a shithole house that you live after being on a nice long holiday.
 
Came in to work today and was having a chat about the football with a few colleagues and the majority of them thought I was being extremely harsh (and a bit ridiculous) wanting GoN gone.

"The seasons only just started"
"Ipswich are flying to be fair"
"You need to give him some time"

The fanbase almost universally want him gone, from what I can tell, yet from the outside looking in, fans of other clubs think we're being OTT wanting him gone.

To be honest, I'm astounded we haven't had a press release from the club this morning to say we've parted ways. It's clearly not going to get better - and the bloke looked completely beaten last night. He's also now binning off any likability he once had, by chatting absolute nonsense after every game.
 
Squeak said:
No it won't. Some players may leave and who really cares (?) but most supporters simply don't do that. History shows us that over previous relegation's .... including when we dropped to Div 1.

Being a Premier League club is not the be and end all at all. Being a Premier League club gives you a certain status but for the vast majority of clubs, you'll lose games more than you'll win them. You have no chance of winning the title.

Bottom line, it is an over-hyped game of football with unfair playing conditions for over half the teams in the league. Certain teams are undoubtedly favoured and there is an acceptance that that is how it is supposed to be. The Premier League is simply a money making machine for certain individuals.

For Wolves, we go down, we still survive. We win a few more games than we lose. We start to have fun again. We get all optimistic. We sign players at reasonable levels rather than taking chances on kids with no experience. Managing expectations.
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I think you're talking bollocks but hey your opinion.
 
The fact that Shi is still in charge says everything about Fosun’s ambition for our Club. GoN’s dismissal aside, I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Quirkafleeg said:
I think you're talking bollocks but hey your opinion.
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I've lived it previously. We have always bounced back.
If you were there during our big decline to Div 4, you'd understand more.
 
Squeak said:
I've lived it previously. We have always bounced back.
If you were there during our big decline to Div 4, you'd understand more.
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I was there in Div 4 as was Quirk for that matter. I have no desire to watch us in any league other than the Premier. That doesn't mean I'd stop going or support another team, but let's not pretend the slog of Championship football is anything to welcome.
 
Squeak said:
I've lived it previously. We have always bounced back.
If you were there during our big decline to Div 4, you'd understand more.
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Quite a lot of us, including Quirk, were there for the plummet down the divisions and almost going out of business and yes we bounced back eventually, doesn't mean we have any desire to repeat the 'feat'. Personally I have no desire to return to the Championship meat grinder and would rather we'd have built on what we were 3 years ago
 
Jinky said:
Came in to work today and was having a chat about the football with a few colleagues and the majority of them thought I was being extremely harsh (and a bit ridiculous) wanting GoN gone.

"The seasons only just started"
"Ipswich are flying to be fair"
"You need to give him some time"

The fanbase almost universally want him gone, from what I can tell, yet from the outside looking in, fans of other clubs think we're being OTT wanting him gone.

To be honest, I'm astounded we haven't had a press release from the club this morning to say we've parted ways. It's clearly not going to get better - and the bloke looked completely beaten last night. He's also now binning off any likability he once had, by chatting absolute nonsense after every game.
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I got talking with a Leeds fan at a wedding over the weekend who simply would not accept that O'Neil was out of his depth and going to get sacked. As far as a lot of outside fans are concerned, he kept up Bournemouth comfortably, he came in at short notice, and we were already a struggling side last season, so of course it's not going to be easy going. There was even discussion on here back in the summer when Bournemouth sacked him, about whether it was unfair or not relative to their expectations when he was appointed.

When he does get sacked I think he's going to get a similarly sympathetic hearing in the media and from those who don't know better. Same has kind of happened with Lage too for similar reasons.
 
Tony Towner said:
I was there in Div 4 as was Quirk for that matter. I have no desire to watch us in any league other than the Premier. That doesn't mean I'd stop going or support another team, but let's not pretend the slog of Championship football is anything to welcome.
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yep, the championship, and the majority of our time in it, was shit. year after year of disappointment and mediocrity. soul destroying.
 
As I posted the other day, we had this run under Mick in 2007/08 (a season where we finished 7th and had a chance of the playoffs right up to the last kick of the last game, so not a year where we were just awful and nowhere near, had a squad with a lot of players who the fans liked too):

Barnsley (A) L 0-1
Burnley (H) L 2-3
QPR (A) D 0-0
Leicester (H) D 1-1
Hull (A) L 0-2
Norwich (A) D 1-1
Sheff Utd (H) D 0-0
Crystal Palace (H) L 0-3
Scunthorpe (A) W 2-0
Sheff Wed (H) W 2-1
Watford (A) L 0-3
Stoke (H) L 2-4

P12 W2 D4 L6 F10 A19 Pts 10

I do not want to go back to that level, it is rubbish.
 
Not too bothered whether fans of other clubs are sympathetic towards the gormless gimp its us and our club that matters and what's best for it and O'Neil staying much longer will be a disaster for us
 
Lupo said:
Quite a lot of us, including Quirk, were there for the plummet down the divisions and almost going out of business and yes we bounced back eventually, doesn't mean we have any desire to repeat the 'feat'. Personally I have no desire to return to the Championship meat grinder and would rather we'd have built on what we were 3 years ago
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Sure. We would all want that. But this is now our reality.
But going down in the past surely brings some perspective on the current situation?
Some folks are making it out to be a disaster. It's a set back. But nowhere close to a disaster.
 
We've spent the majority of my time supporting Wolves in the 2nd tier. And I'm pig fucking sick of it. There's only ever been one time I wanted to be in the Championship, and that was when we were in League 1.

I don't want to have to suffer through another long slog of a Championship season again. If we do go down, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest we'd come straight back up, not the way the club is currently being run.

And apart from all that, Championship football is fucking awful if you're caught up in the middle of it.

Fuck that - Premier League survival at all costs has to be the aim.
 
Keef said:
Bet he was one of the 100,000 that apparently went to Chorley as well
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The whole country was there.... but no, just the first game at Burnden at the second at Mol. Couldn't afford the third game back at Bolton.
 
Squeak said:
Sure. We would all want that. But this is now our reality.
But going down in the past surely brings some perspective on the current situation?
Some folks are making it out to be a disaster. It's a set back. But nowhere close to a disaster.
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This is what happens when it seems likely a football club is on the fast-track to relegation. Their fans start trying to kid themselves that the division below is better.

I work with a couple of Stoke fans and I can guarantee you that they would swap our position with theirs every single day of the week. The Championship is shit.
 
Last time we went down we went all the way to League One and had to start all over again plus we didn't have players on the kind of money we have now or a squad that had cost so much. I would expect us at best to become a mid-table shit club like Albion desperately trying to reach 6th each season but also glancing over our shoulders at the teams creeping up behind us, a bit like how we were for most of the 1990s, rinse and repeat
 
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