O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

[prawnking]

Wolves are a mess.

Sure, and it's shit.

Plenty of other clubs, much bigger than us too, are a mess. It can be a pretty dysfunctional league, the PL.

Lop still managed to get top 10 form out of that 'mess'.

We don't need Gary O' fucking Neil to be a unifying messiah figure, just do a bit better than this, that'd be a start;

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Sure, and it's shit.

Plenty of other clubs, much bigger than us too, are a mess. It can be a pretty dysfunctional league, the PL.

Lop still managed to get top 10 form out of that 'mess'.

We don't need Gary O' fucking Neil to be a unifying messiah figure, just do a bit better than this, that'd be a start;

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I don't disagree and nothing I have said would suggest I disagree. I just don't think O'Neill pointing out that the situation isn't great (when it clearly isn't) is the stick to beat him with.

Lopetegui did a decent job with a squad that had got worse under a poorly equipped manager and an ownership with no strategy but he did have 7 or 8 weeks to work with them before the season got back under way and then had some money to spend in January.

O'Neill had a few days and some (so far) underwhelming additions to the squad. But we have largely been shit other than some occasional glimpses of the apparent talent we have, there is no doubt about that and it is difficult to see what he will do to reverse the decline, there are hardly green shoots of recovery to cling to.

When O'Neill says there are problems, when everyone knows there are problems, and gets criticised for it I think maybe that criticism is a little unwarranted. That said, whatever words he utters are used against him on here. It's like Molineux Mix of old on here at the moment, I can't even bring myself to visit that site at the moment as I am sure it would make my eyes bleed.

 

[Dire Wolf]

There are enough sticks to beat O'Neil with purely based on his shit management ability, so there isn't really a need to use his comments about the state of the club. The state of the club is shit, and it has been shit for a while. Lop stabilised things for half a season, but the club is in a mess. O'Neil shouldn't be using that as an excuse, no, but it is pretty undeniable. We've been run by a bunch of shysters who have fucked things up. O'Neil's appointment is one of the many things they have fucked up. He needs to go, and so do the owners.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

- He shouldn't have got the job (nor should Lage)
- We've declined horribly over 3 and a bit years out of our own mismanagement and poor decisions
- He hasn't started well
- There's already a pattern in how we play which I don't like and doesn't fit the players we have
- If he doesn't get a win before the clocks go back then I don't think he'll be here any longer

That's all that matters really. Sometimes he talks rubbish, sometimes he has a point. He's not on Lage/Hoddle/Saunders levels of constant drivel and the way every comment he makes is jumped on isn't necessary or proportionate.

 

[darlowolf64]

O'Neil isn't saying the club structure is a mess, he's saying it's a mess because of the previous manager. He's talking shit and needs to fuck off

 

[prawnking]

@Dire Wolf @The Saturday Boy the point you're both missing (and which has been made) is that he's not using 'the club is a mess' as an excuse, it's more narrowly focused than that, he isn't throwing criticism Hobbs or Jeff's way, it's thinly veiled at the previous manager, and that doesn't stand up.

Edit: @darlowolf64 put it much more succinctly than me

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

To be fair he said he inherited a shit show. Now the implication is that is on the previous incumbent but it is only an implication.

 

[Derby Wolf]

I don't disagree and nothing I have said would suggest I disagree. I just don't think O'Neill pointing out that the situation isn't great (when it clearly isn't) is the stick to beat him with.

Lopetegui did a decent job with a squad that had got worse under a poorly equipped manager and an ownership with no strategy but he did have 7 or 8 weeks to work with them before the season got back under way and then had some money to spend in January.

O'Neill had a few days and some (so far) underwhelming additions to the squad. But we have largely been shit other than some occasional glimpses of the apparent talent we have, there is no doubt about that and it is difficult to see what he will do to reverse the decline, there are hardly green shoots of recovery to cling to.

When O'Neill says there are problems, when everyone knows there are problems, and gets criticised for it I think maybe that criticism is a little unwarranted. That said, whatever words he utters are used against him on here. It's like Molineux Mix of old on here at the moment, I can't even bring myself to visit that site at the moment as I am sure it would make my eyes bleed.

He isnt expected to have control of many areas of the club like Lopetegui or Nuno did, so when hes criticising the previous regime, he's criticising many of the same players who delivered 31 points in 21 games last season.

If he was delivering the same results as Lopetegui give or take and complaining that there are problems preventing him/us from progressing then that would wholly fair. He isnt though.

He's either unable or incapable of motivating the same players to perform at the same level now. That requires introspection, not him blaming everybody else.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

@Dire Wolf @The Saturday Boy the point you're both missing (and which has been made) is that he's not using 'the club is a mess' as an excuse, it's more narrowly focused than that, he isn't throwing criticism Hobbs or Jeff's way, it's thinly veiled at the previous manager, and that doesn't stand up.

Edit: @darlowolf64 put it much more succinctly than me

Thanks god there's a voice of reason to mansplain it to me.

How could I have been so wrong?

 

[Trips]

Not sure what your point is.

You said the whole club was broken when O'Neil came in, which obviously wasn't true. On the whole, we had a good run from Christmas onwards form wise (with a couple for shocking results in there) and you listed a lot of players that already left the club as a reason why.

Yes there are issues throughout the club, but the playing side wasn't as bad as O'Neil would have us believe

 

[Tony Towner]

To be fair he said he inherited a shit show. Now the implication is that is on the previous incumbent but it is only an implication.

I guess it depends on how far he needs to go before it's more than implied. He's not used Lopetegui's name, but I'd say this is more than an implication in everything other than a legal sense

"When I arrived, the culture of the club needed a shift.

"Some of it needed to move into more togetherness and the way they went about things was very individual-focused and there wasn't a lot of structure to what they did."

 

[prawnking]

Thanks god there's a voice of reason to mansplain it to me.

How could I have been so wrong?

Enjoy your projecting, mate

I guess you wanted to make a proclamation rather than have a discussion so I'll leave you to it

 

[Del Woppio]

Can men be mansplained to?

 

[Tredman]

Can men be mansplained to?

Of course they can, it’s the act of explaining something to a person in very simplistic terms.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Can men be mansplained to?

On here? Frequently.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Enjoy your projecting, mate

I guess you wanted to make a proclamation rather than have a discussion so I'll leave you to it

I was trying having a discussion until you told me how I was wrong.

 

[WsWolf]

Interesting that Pep is a big GoN fan.

 

[Kenny]

Interesting that Pep is a big GoN fan.

Of course he is. About to give him the easiest 3 points of the season...

 

[WsWolf]

Of course he is. About to give him the easiest 3 points of the season...

Dunno. We've got the Korean fella.

 

[jlo]

O'Neil isn't saying the club structure is a mess, he's saying it's a mess because of the previous manager. He's talking shit and needs to fuck off

I'm not sure saying the club structure is a mess would be keeping him in a job, doesn't mean he doesn't realise it. In fact of course he does, he keeps saying him getting the job was a big surprise almost like he won the lottery. If the club structure wasn't a mess, he wouldn't even be here and he knows it.

I think he actually talks ok in the football focus interview, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other sticks to prove he isn't up for this job as others have said.

I hope he flukes a few results, because I don't want to see us go down - not because I want him to stay. And I think this season is already a write off so we've just got to get through with enough points in the bag at each stage and either hope come summer they have a good manager lined up, or more likely the club gets sold still as a Premier league entity. It ain't going to be a memorable season that's a given already.